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​After a week long hiatus, Chris and Zissou return with a super-sized episode featuring reviews of American Ultra, Digging for Fire, and The End... Vegetable Lasagna 23

​After a week long hiatus, Chris and Zissou return with a super-sized episode featuring reviews of American Ultra, Digging for Fire, and The End of the Tour. Zissou recounts his squabble with a theater security guard and Chris thinks he might have seen a body stashed in a dumpster.

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Zissou

Zissou lives in Nebraska with his beautiful cat.

  • Digging for Zissou

  • Digging for Zissou

    Are there podcast music license things you can get where you can play people’s songs like on radio?

  • Digging for Zissou

  • Digging for Zissou

  • Digging for Zissou

    I recommend playing these songs quietly in the background while listening to this week’s show.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Read half of Thomas More’s Utopia yesterday. Interesting framing device and tone. Kind of like a funnier Machiavelli.

  • Digging for Zissou

  • Digging for Zissou

    And everything was maaaaaade for you and me

  • Digging for Zissou

    What are the quintessential books about the idea of utopias? Fiction and nonficiton. Go!

  • Digging for Zissou

    Didn’t mean to phrase that as like a quiz question. I actually want to know.

  • Digging for Zissou

    The problem I have with some of these things is that it’s a nice manifesto but it’s still just some guy running the world from his couch.

  • Digging for Zissou

  • Digging for Zissou

  • Digging for Zissou

    Good talk.

  • Abe

    Funnily enough, I was looking into that. To be 100% legal it’s Annual minimum fee: $500 per station or channel and 2015 Monthly liability: $0.0023 per performance.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Would this site count as one station/channel?

  • Abe

    Yeah I think so. I’m doing some more digging to see what we can do to become than solely on demand podcasts.

  • Digging for Zissou

    What would that look like?

  • Abe

    Snazzy! I’ll answer your questions elsewhere.

  • Abe

    You think you get asked if you’re Jewish…lol

  • Digging for Zissou

    I need to smack this work computer until I can get gmail to load because I hate using it on my phone.

  • Abe

    Oh I understand.

  • Abe

  • Digging for Zissou

    Far and away their best album.

  • Digging for Zissou

    I belong to the local Jewish Community Center.

  • Abe

    I hate myself.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Alright you win.

  • Abe

    Oh yeah. Front to back an excellent listen.

  • Abe

    You have a wall of text waiting for you

  • Abe

    “Kristen Stewart gets a bit of hate.” Chris really has his finger on the pulse.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Is this in an email or on hangout? Not sure how to find hangout on my phone yet.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Oh wait I think I got it.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Oh damnit it’s an app?

  • Abe

    Are you an iphone user?

  • Digging for Zissou

    Yes. But it turns out google hangout works on my work computer, just not gmail. However that happens.

  • Digging for Zissou

    #afortnightofeisenberg

  • Tim R.R. Something

    1984, Brave New World, Action Comics #321,

  • Tim R.R. Something

    I enjoyed your earlier, funny posts.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Where do we draw the line between utopian and dystopian fiction? Have you read Lost Horizon?

  • Tim R.R. Something

    No, but really utopia is dystopia. This is not a theory accepted by scholars, I have gone rogue.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Yeah, it’s too subjective to not be murky. The scholars are wrong.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    Anyway who wants to read fiction about Utopia? It would be dull and pointless. Utopia crumbling, or as dystopia is the fertile ground.

  • Digging for Zissou

    The problem with most dystopian fiction is that it’s just rebellion stories, though.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    Paradise lost is about Satan for a reason, nobody cares about the lucky angels who stay in heaven.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    1984 has stayed with me all my life, I am convinced that modern politics is 1984 without the obvious despotism.

  • Digging for Zissou

    #modernnewman

  • Tim R.R. Something

    Life, if you looked about you, bore no resemblance not only to the lies that streamed out of the telescreens, but even to the ideals that the Party had to achieve.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Lost Horizon is my favorite utopian/dystopian book. It’s sad to me that the movie fudged the nature of Shangri-La so effectively.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    Ill have to look for it. Is there a classics comics version?

  • Digging for Zissou

    Not sure. I like 1984 as well but some of this stuff just depresses me.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    Certainly is, but what’s really disturbing is how close we are to it.

    The invention of print, however, made it easier to manipulate public opinion, and the film and the radio carried the process further. With the development of television, and the technical advance which made it possible to receive and transmit simultaneously on the same instrument, private life came to an end. Every citizen, or at least every citizen important enough to be worth watching, could be kept for twenty-four hours a day under the eyes of the police and in the sound of official propaganda, with all other channels of communication closed. The possibility of enforcing not only complete obedience to the will of the State, but complete uniformity of opinion on all subjects, now existed for the first time.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    But why do ask, Two Dogs Fucking?

  • Why would someone pretend to be Jewish?

  • Digging for Zissou

    Well, uh, you see. . .When you go to. . .It’s a matter of, like, . . . It’s. . .Uh.

  • For Woody Allen-impressions…?

  • Digging for Zissou

    *coughs*

  • Digging for Zissou

    My Woody Allen fandom did start around that time.

  • It’s okay. Sometimes I pretend to be a Buddhist.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    The only state that rhymes with Nebraska is North DaKaska.

  • Parco Del Jurassica?

  • So, you have assistants, secretaries and waitresses now?
    Big money in podcasting.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    That’s not a state

  • It’s a state of mind.

  • MPAA just thinks they’re the federal government, I believe

  • …and they’re making a sequel to that fucking Eisenberg magician heist movie….

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_You_See_Me:_The_Second_Act

  • “anyway, i found a body.”

    LOL. Nice seque

  • Digging for Zissou

    Personally I think it’s stupid that theaters regulate who can see movies anyway. I get the point of having some sort of recommendation based on content but not the enforcement.

  • I just have to ask: how young do you look, if they wanted your I.D.?

  • Tim R.R. Something

    What kind of society just lets people do what they want?

  • Utopia

  • Tim R.R. Something

    That’s like Swedish bullshit.

  • Digging for Zissou

    I think they’re going by alcohol rules with it. Aubrey was carded as well.

  • IKEA and Utopia both end with an “a”…

  • Digging for Zissou

    A Kurtzman/Orci joint

  • Tim R.R. Something

    Nebraska too.

  • I’m amazed that they sell alcohol in theaters there. None of that here in F-land

  • Tim R.R. Something

    They don’t do it in the east either. Hedonists!

  • Just as one needed another reason not to see that

  • Digging for Zissou

    It’s a new thing here. The art-house theater has been doing it for the past 6-7 years but the others just started in the last year.

  • Oh: from the director of “G.I. Joe: Retaliation”

  • Tim R.R. Something

    Lawsuits will ruin it.

  • At least we have a used-books store in my hometown that’s also a pub.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Fantastic idea. I’m glad that exists outside of my head.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    used books – coasters

  • Digging for Zissou

    His wikipedia page boasts the least attractive filmmography I’ve seen in a while.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Wouldn’t you rather set your beer on some Nietzsche than a Bud Light coaster?

  • Tim R.R. Something

    I drink therefore I am

  • Digging for Zissou

    Drunk Philosophy

  • Tim R.R. Something

    “God is (braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap) dead. Ungh”

  • “Fury Road” did require multiple watches – it’s so filled with stuff that it’s impossible to spot everything at once.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    Got any of those cheese cracker things left?

  • Digging for Zissou

    Hell is domestic beers.

  • So they just dumped carpets. I bet those really tied the rooms together

  • Tim R.R. Something

    Michelobotomy

  • Digging for Zissou

    Spoilers!

  • Digging for Zissou

    This was our first plot driven episode.

  • Whoops. Edited my comment

  • Digging for Zissou

    My favorite thing from this episode was the potential Jesse Eisenberg Marky Mark biopic. Am I the only one dying to see that come true?

  • Isn’t “Entourage” a Marky Mark biopic?

  • Digging for Zissou

    I think I’ve maybe seen 5 minutes of an episode of that.

  • Me too. I hate that “frat boys”-crap

  • Digging for Zissou

    Agree completely.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Crimson and clover

  • Digging for Zissou

    Over and over

  • Digging for Zissou

    You guys should get Wolfpup to do a weekly column.

  • All Eisenberg, all day

  • Digging for Zissou

    He’s the brains behind contemporary movie analysis.

  • He’s very secretive.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Feral.

  • I’m skipping on/off Disqus, ’cause I’m trying to draw the conclusion of my psychological “StudioHEAD” saga. But I have the show playing in the background

  • Digging for Zissou

    I think that’s how the show is supposed to be utilized.

  • Although I’m doing exactly the opposite of the storytelling-analysis you guys are having right now

  • Digging for Zissou

    Different medium.

  • I wonder when we’ll see “It Follows” here in the North

  • I dunno. Text, images, pacing…

  • Digging for Zissou

    Well I’m no creative writing teacher.

  • “Marky Mark as Ian Malcolm”

    LMAO

  • Digging for Zissou

    Apparently Bruce Willis got fired from the new Woody Allen movie.

  • I guess the rumors of his diva tendencies are not that far-fetched

  • It’s OK – I’m not a creative writer

  • Digging for Zissou

    Surprised that Moonrise Kingdom worked out.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Never seen that.

  • I still don’t understand why it was made

  • Oh – the same director has recently made “Tekken 2: Kazuya’s Revenge”.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    “We don’t get many Sagamanus’ in here.”
    “At these prices I’m not surprised.”

  • ponyboy_360

    6:05 p.m.
    I will have to listen to this tomorrow.
    I was thinking.
    Should I just post here in Ziss’s SN’s
    VL thread from now on?
    Or IAB’s?
    As my daily film, TV & books chat?
    It’s not going over well where I’m at.
    My own reasons, I suppose.
    Anyway, I read an exchange between
    Ziss & “Tarmac”, a while ago, that stuck with me.
    Somewhere here at the SN’s.
    It was about Allen & Baumbach.
    Two directors I admire.
    Tarmac dropped a film that I LOVE.
    “Laws Of Gravity”, in that conversation.
    INSTANT film props from me.
    One of my favourite “N.Y.” films.
    As a Canadian, I love “N.Y” films.
    I gained a respect for Nick Gomez back then.
    How he made that film.
    The great actors, & the careers that became of a few.
    I own “Laws Of Gravity” &
    “New Jersey Drive”.
    He directed some of my favourite
    “Homicide: Life On The Street”
    Episodes.
    That is one of the 5 TV Series that I own.
    Nick Gomez went the TV route.
    Kinda like John Dahl.
    Nobody I know, that I haven’t already personally shown “Laws Of Gravity” to.
    Have even heard of it.
    So, my respect to Tarmac.
    Love people that have Independent Film knowledge.
    I also don’t care about the new
    “Star Wars” or “Star Trek”.
    AT ALL.
    NO OFFENCE!!!
    The first 3, when I was a kid, are the only ones I really care about.
    I’m kinda limited to where I think I can post now.
    So Ziss is the dude who talks about the Independent Cinema, & TV I watch (I’ll buy you an iTunes Season Pass for “The Knick” & “Ray Donovan”……get on it!!!!).
    That I jive with.
    & books.
    & he actually goes the the theatre.
    As do we.
    Hmmmmm.
    Decisions.
    Gotta bounce.
    Peace Out.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Have you seen Whit Stillman’s Homicide: Life on the Street episode? We might have talked about it before but I can’t remember. Feel free to post any thoughts about anything on this page. I do.

  • ponyboy_360

    Thank you Ziss.
    I’ll post this & then take a few days off & chill.
    Glad to know I can post this stuff here.
    Actually, we did discuss that Stillman Episode.
    But it was way back in the day.
    I jumped in when you were discussing,
    “The Last Days Of Disco”.
    The Episode Whit Stillman directed was in Season 5, Episode 7.
    Called,
    “The Heart Of A Saturday Night”.
    With Stillman’s boy, Chris Eigeman.
    It was great.
    We also talked Barry Levinson & David Simon.
    & probably my favourite Episode.
    Starring Robin Williams.
    Called, “Bop Gun”.
    Directed by Jake Gyllenhaal’s dad,
    Stephen.
    Young Jake Gyllenhaal was also in that heartbreaking Episode.
    I don’t keep my TV Series in my movie room.
    They are in the entertainment unit, under the TV.
    This is one side.
    “Magnum P.I.” REPRESENT!!!!
    I absolutely love the,
    “Homicide: Life On The Street”,
    The Complete Series, Box Set.
    With the 2 hour film included.
    The box set looks like a cops filing cabinet.
    Inside, are all the Seasons divided
    as if the were “yearly files”.
    Great touch.
    I’m out, talk soon.
    Peace Ziss.
    (…)

  • ponyboy_360

    This is for Tim.
    Before I take an internet break.
    I think the only up-vote I got from Tim. (which is hard for me to achieve).
    Was when I quoted “Macbeth”.
    “Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow.
    Creeps in this petty pace from day to day.
    To the last syllable of recorded time.
    And all our yesterdays have lighted fools.
    The way to dusty death.
    Out, out, brief candle!
    Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player.
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage.
    And then is heard no more.”
    At least 8 lines deep verbatim, until I forgot the rest.
    I pulled that from my weed filled brain & got a Tim up-vote.
    I also think Tim’s photo with his family, beside a barn, & underneath a rainbow, could be a book jacket.
    I wish I had access to Sir Ian, back when I had to memorize more than just the above.
    One of the King Of The Boards.
    I think this sit down is pretty, pretty, good.
    I just happened to stumble across this video, & thought of that exchange way back with Tim.
    Cheers Tim.
    It’s a little long.
    But worth it.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zGbZCgHQ9m8

  • Tim R.R. Something

    Awesome!

  • Abe

    Are you a Wire fan at all?

  • Digging for Zissou

    I remember that now! What a crazy load of talent on that show.

  • Digging for Zissou

    I need one of you guys to convince me to watch more of The Wire. The first few episodes are good but I’m having trouble getting gripped.

  • Digging for Zissou

  • Abe

    Watch the Wire Zissou!

  • Digging for Zissou

    That’s a compelling argument but I just don’t know.

  • Abe

    GOD DAMN IT! *shakes fist*

  • Digging for Zissou

    You did your best.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    People think you’re Jewish?

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    I feel sorry for the dog listening to those speeches.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    MANBEARPIG.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    You have assistants just walking in?

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    The epic story of Zissou slaying the the dragon blocking him from American Ultra.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Eh?

  • Digging for Zissou

    Hahaha

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    What’s funny is that when I finally got my ID after I turned eighteen, people stopped asking for my card. Good grief. I mean I get carded every now and then but I went through all that redtape for almost nothing.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Got ’em working in shifts

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Must be your introverted nature.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Dark hair too

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    I think it was done by state. Where they decided what was okay and what wasn’t. Back then.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Night of the Living Dead definitely ran into some roadblocks when it was released.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Interesting. Are there books about that?

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    I read this book about the horror genre going through the shift in the 60’s from campy stuff into dark and disturbing. Shock Value: How a Few Eccentric Outsiders Gave Nightmares, Conquered Hollywood, and Invented Modern Horror By Jason Zinoman goes into it.

  • Digging for Zissou

    I like those kinds of books

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Die Hard level of violence? Man, do I love squibs.

  • Digging for Zissou

    I think you’d like this movie.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    It’s definitely worth a read. I remember liking Targets when it came out on TCM but I appreciated a bit more after reading the book.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    I been hearing how it’s not doing so well but everyone else saying it’s good. I think it’s going to be one of those movies that has a cult following.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Mark Ruffalo is a cop magician. I think I’ve heard everything now.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    I don’t get the hate for Jesse Eisenberg.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    I found the Bourne miniseries starring Richard Chamberlain over in the local rental place in my hometown. For some reason, I never rented it. Damn, should have taken the opportunity when it presented itself.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    I never thought you would have watched Mad Max 4 let alone have any interest in it.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    See! It’s about the execution! It’s always about the execution!

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Why would you just roll up a body in carpet and throw it away?

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    How does one dispose a body anyway? Like, what about using an incinerator?

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Paying triple? Better have been worth it.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Just remember to tell the murderer’s where you live, guys.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    A guy finds a rusted gun and a bone? Sounds like The ‘Burbs. Or that Woody Allen movie.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Manhattan.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Please let this be on Netflix……..

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    ………….The characters call the police is what they do when they find a body.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Okay, yeah, all of that stuff too but……….CALL THE COPS.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Plot twist: The police are the ones who murdered them…………

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Confession time. I haven’t watched The Social Network. Yet.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    David Foster Wallace. I’ve run across this guy on TV Tropes.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    So, Infinite Jest. Sounds interesting. I swear I might have seen the premise of a movie that people find so fascinating that they stop doing doing anything and let themselves waste away on this show a long time ago………..

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Cabin in the Woods. Good stuff.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Shyamalan. How the mighty have fallen……….

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    ……………………WTF, mang.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    You both hate and love the ending to The Mist?

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Holy shit, we agree on something! Yay! I really dug The Mist but damn, that ending. But at the same time I can see how it works even though the movie is practically saying fuck you every second of the ending.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    I’m trying to think of a movie I’m never seeing again. I think Funny Games?

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    God, I hated it.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Indy 4. No comment.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    I play a big toy who attacks a bunch of smaller toys.
    -Orson Welles

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Is there something wrong with me if I want to see Mark Wahlberg as Ian Malcolm?

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    The Room IS THE BEST FILM EVER.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Not even kidding.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Okay, what else besides Funny Games? Hmm. Machete?

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    HOLY GREAT TIMING, BATMAN. I just typed out Machete.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Oh God, Don’t Mess With The Zohan. Try Click. Sandler was trying to make his Groundhog Day and failed. I mean, that one scene always turns me into a mess but everything else is a mess.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Attack of the Clones was pretty bad. I’m willing to give Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith a pass but Attack of the Clones was bad.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    When are you going to get that paranormal show going on?

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Every time you guys say fluff, I can’t help but think of a porno set.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    A Good Day to Die Hard was as disappointing as Godzilla circa 1998. Shame on me for wasting twenty dollars on that. Shame. On. Me.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Chris Elliott is great on Eagleheart.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    That was pretty good. I’d mention 1984 but Tim beat me to it.

  • Digging for Zissou

    That’s what I’m saying.

  • Tim R.R. Something

    Well then, I’ll resist heaping scorn upon you. Just this once.

  • Digging for Zissou

    We need a location to give us permission to film.

  • Booger T

    ziss I turned this on yesterday because i never listen to podcasts and i figured it was time to give it another go and i lasted until you mentioned “this film is not yet rated” and i went and found it on youtube and watched that instead. it was good. so thanks/sorry.

  • Digging for Zissou

    Glad I could help. That’s undoubtedly better.

  • Tarmac492.1

    Would agree, although I was smart enough to avoid GDTDH in the theater. But Godzilla 98 was one of my biggest disappointments and I am not the G fan you are!!!

  • Tarmac492.1

    I flat out like Sith–yeah I said it!!!! AOTC annoye dme because watching Anakin and Padme get together was like watching hard drive get mounted into a server.

  • Tarmac492.1

    Laws of Gravity is one of my faves. Outsanding. Peter fucking Greene. Paul Schulze is a scary mofo in this. It was one of my fave reviews I did at TB’er which I can never get back.Thanks, I love Independent flicks.

  • Tarmac492.1

    The Education of Charlie Banks is a good movie with Jesse Eisenberg–directed by Fred Durst.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Oh God, that romance was sappy it was driving me into trance.

  • belly up

    Lol. So fun.

  • belly up

    Just makes me wish I were part of the conversation. 🙂

  • MissyLT

    Love it