Jack Random’s Macadocious Mutant Massacre Jack Random’s Macadocious Mutant Massacre
After a week off, the guys are back and full of geek enthusiasm! Marketing guru Joe Buchalter sits in with the guys and lets... Jack Random’s Macadocious Mutant Massacre

After a week off, the guys are back and full of geek enthusiasm!

Marketing guru Joe Buchalter sits in with the guys and lets us know what the deal is with all the movie trailer leaks.

Also, Jamill Payne returns to join Kyle in ripping Jack to shreds over his opinion of X-Men movies.

So join the guys in this extended episode as they talk Comic Con, trailers, good whiskey, and say goodbye to a videogame legend.

The boys are back. You have been warned.


Outro music is “Back Once Again” by Zomboy.


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Jack Random

From Detroit, Jack Random is former video game reviewer, current DJ, production assistant, and lifelong nerd with 40 years of comic reading under his belt.

  • Tarmac492.1

    downloading this random act of violence for a post work listen.

  • The boys are back in town!
    (With absolutely no between-the-lines plugging to my wednesday article):
    https://youtu.be/D-veBGVGiYI

  • That dog in the background sounds like a werewolf

  • Dice?

  • “back to Love Motels and Taxi service….” LOL

  • Just what the doctor ordered.

  • Why do they keep calling it Comic-Con? Should just be AllthethingsGeeky-Con.

  • Trailer leaks are the new teaser

  • Eisenberg was the one bit in the trailer that has me a bit worried. I know that Eisenberg does annoying better that anyone else, but it’s not necessarily entertaining.

  • He became Darth Vader because he was Emo.

  • “…When I met your father, he was already a great pilot….”

    Yeah, right. He pressed the “Autopilot” on accidentally, LOL

  • Bad parenting caused half of Metropolis being crushed? Interesting theory, lol

  • Darwin could survive everything thrown at him except the Tropes.

  • The problem with joker’s tattoos is they are too on the nose.

  • Tarmac492.1

    Does someone have a werewolf?

  • I thought that was the only place where there weren’t any… XD

  • They claim it’s a dog, but I’m not entirely convinced

  • Tarmac492.1

    frightening. I thought I was walking along the moors after I got tossed out of the Slaughtered Lamb.

  • Tarmac492.1

    Tullamore Dew baby

  • Tarmac492.1

    Tequila has a punch like Mike Tyson

  • Stay on the road. Keep clear of the moors. Beware the Moon.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Agree about the X-Men movies; they’re a colossal fucking mess. Time to wipe the slate clean and start over, whether in Fox’s hands or in (we should be so lucky) Marvel’s.

  • Jack Randomm

    Ha!

  • Jack Randomm

    I HATED that! All we really knew about Luke’s dad was that he was a great pilot.

    I guess Obi Wan lied about a bunch o shit.

  • Jack Randomm

    Knowing Kyle, it’s a 20 sided die.

  • Jack Randomm

    Favorite Bus Boys track – Did You See Me, from their debut album Minimum Wage Rock and Roll.

  • Kyle Fulton

    Now hang on here, are we somehow not calling podracing piloting a vehicle? Because podracing is piloting a vehicle.

  • Kyle Fulton

    Yes, his name is Dice. XD

  • Kyle Fulton

    Those are literally two things Nintendo did before they made games!

  • Kyle Fulton

    Nah, they’re great.

  • Stalkeye

    I’m curious to hear what my fellow gamers (meaning, Jack and Kyle,) have to say about Iwata’s passing and what he meant to the industry.

  • It’s Racing. Maybe they should’ve changed the line to “…When I met your father, he was already a great racer…”

  • Stalkeye

    [email protected] Man of Steel comments. Yeah, i guess this is the all new “Fuck yo Couch, Nigga” version of Superman. personally, I liked the film regardless of its flaws its far better than the wretched Superman Returns.
    People complained that Superman never really cut loose in combat, well ask and ye shall receive! If anyone have seen the last episode of the excellent justice league series, most wouldn’t have a problem with the huge battle scene from MOS.

    Gene Hackman was great as Luthor, WTFF are you talking about?
    The guy had gravitas and was a cold Motherfucker.-“By causing the Death of innocent people”.

    Kind words for iwata-San Kyle. Ya didn’t disappoint!

  • Kyle Fulton

    Yes, racing a flying vehicle. You pilot flying vehicles. You guys are really reaching on this complaint.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Anakin even tells Padme earlier, “I’m a pilot, you know…”, as if to make the point clearer. I don’t think he was referring to flying ships; he’d never been in a starship at that point.

    Yeah, yeah…it’s slightly odd terminology, I know, but it is technically correct.

  • Kyle Fulton

    That’s like saying that a guy who races cars isn’t a great driver.

  • Kyle Fulton

    Like I just mentioned below, if a guy who races cars is a driver, a guy who races flying pods is a pilot. It doesn’t even seem odd to me.

  • Kyle Fulton

    Oh I think he was fantastic. Every line he delivered except “The red capes are coming!” sounded spot on Luthor to me, and I got the impression that the red capes bit was him mocking someone.

  • From a certain point of view

  • Kyle Fulton

    I say it was excellent parenting, just not the parenting Superman traditionally got. A father trying to protect his son and a mother telling him that if he wants to be Superman he should do it out of his own desire to be good, and not because he feels he owes it to the world? Those are class-A parents in my book. Just of a different sort.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    “And, by the way, I may look as old as frickin’ dirt, but I’m actually only fifty-seven. Drinking copious amounts of malt whisky ages a man.”

  • Kyle Fulton

    Yeah, the point of view that knows what the word “pilot” means. I’M NOT LETTING THIS ONE GO.

  • Kyle Fulton

    You’d think so, but no! I didn’t even name him.

  • You know we’re only messing with you, right? 😉

  • Kyle Fulton

    He was a true hero of mine.

  • Kyle Fulton

    Of course I do! I’m just weirdly defensive about the prequels! XD

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    It’s the “Wolverine and Mystique show”. I’m sick to death of them. There’s a whole universe of other characters out there to be explored.

  • Kyle Fulton

    The only one I have any problem with is “Damaged” on his forehead. But, like I said, not being sure what his backstory is, I can’t really judge. It’s possible that this is a guy who CHOSE to be the Joker as opposed to having it thrust upon him. It could be taking a similar route to Batman Confidential, where he was an insane, dangerous man before he met the Batman, and doing so just brought out the clown in him.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    But, admittedly, the word would bring to mind “flying in spaceships” for most people. I think that’s what most people wanted to see.

  • Kyle Fulton

    He showed himself to be a solid pilot of other vehicles in the sequels, so I still think it’s right on, but I suppose that’s fair. Keep in mind, I was 13 when it came out. I was an unusually thoughtful, intelligent 13 year-old who truly loved movies and books, and analyzed plots, and payed close attention… but every ounce of that went out the window the second I heard the opening fanfare of the theme in a theater for the first time. From that moment on I was just so damned happy to be watching Star Wars that I didn’t care much about that stuff.

  • OK. I don’t wanna be the listener who bets blasted into smithereens with the special weapon

  • Kyle Fulton

    Which is fair, I suppose, but in my eyes that’s sort of like complaining that James Bond movies keep being about James Bond. We have our set of four main characters here, and that’s who the series is about. It’s been that was since the very first flick, and if you stop expecting other stuff, it does it very well. I give the series an IMMENSE amount of credit for never rebooting, and for keeping a major actor in an iconic role longer that any other franchise I can think of, except for perhaps Harry Potter. Jackman and the series deserve to be noticed for Keeping Wolverine consistent, well acted, and well written throughout. Even the ones that suck suck AROUND Jackman instead of because of him and his character. He and Liev Schreiber are excellent in every scene they share in Origins, and Jackman has some truly hilarious comic relief moments. GOD that movie was a tragedy. I can see the good film in it SO clearly. Give me a shot at re-writing it and I swear to god I could turn it into something great.

  • Kyle Fulton

    Oh it’s not for you. Oh no. It’s not. For. You. *turns to the window and stares out it, the look of madness in his eyes escalating*

  • KilliK

    the F1 drivers are referred to as pilots.

  • Abe
  • Kyle Fulton

    Maybe so, but at least HE GOT POWAAAAHR.

  • Abe
  • Abe
  • KilliK

    sorry, but it was obvious that old Obi was referring to Anakin as a great starship pilot, not a podracer pilot or some other generalization.

    And it’s obvious, because that’s what Luke was dreaming to be before he met Obi, a great starship pilot. in a poetical beauty, it’s what his unknown father was and he learned about this later.

    Also that line shows the old friendship between Anakin and Obi, that they were warriors who together came through some serious shit in their youth (ie Clone Wars). I doubt Anakin did his battles in a podracer..

    in other words, it’s Lucas fucking again the continuity between his two trilogies, in all levels: characters, plot, chronology, technology, etc

  • Stalkeye

    Definitely a genius and I couldn’t go by without giving him a brief Eulogy and even threw a little nod to you guys just from the subtitle. (;’

    http://thesupernaughts.com/opinion/satoru-iwata-savior-of-the-gamerverse/

  • Stalkeye

    The Wolverine overexposure in comics, Cartoons and films is what turned me off from the character. I’m still baffled at this grandiose Shit!

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/72/Wolverineandthexmenanimated.jpg/200px-Wolverineandthexmenanimated.jpg

    I thought Cyke had as much depth but marvel being the whores that they are, overshadowed the other good characters from the X-men franchise via utilizing Wolverine as their cash Cow.

    Yet the two Wolverine movies sucked Ass.

    You know FOX should throw in the towel when Raven’s videogame based on the lackluster first film was sooo much better.

  • Kyle Fulton

    You know that cash-cows aren’t cash-cows unless people love the milk, right? They didn’t overexpose Wolverine. If they had, people would be sick of him, but it’s VERY clear that most people aren’t. They absolutely love the guy, and for good reason. There may be a bit much of him for your tastes, that I can understand, but successful things are rarely successful for no reason.

    Also that game kicks ASS. It is so much better than it had any right to be.

  • Kyle Fulton

    No, it’s not, because he was ALSO an excellent starship pilot. They established that plenty later on. All he said was that Anakin was already an excellent pilot when they met, and that was true. There are dozens of fuck-ups between the two trilogies to go after. This simply isn’t one of them.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Did they take the Tomb Raider engine for that game and just stick Wolvie in there? Lol

  • KilliK

    I disagree. there is plenty of stuff for exploration, for example the Wolvie-Jean Grey-Cyclops love triangle. which was only teased but never fully explored. The Shiar saga. The Brood saga. Kitty Pryde trying to become a formidable X-Men member and falling in love with Colossus, etc.

    X-MEN is essentially a mexican soap opera with superheroes. In 50 years of existence, there are hundreds of great, epic stories you can select from and make awesome movies. Instead, we got 8 movies which mostly focus on three characters, for which “coincidentally” their actors happen to be movie stars. Wolvie, the Cow and Berry.

    I have enjoyed most of the XM movies, but even I have to admit that is it time to move on and bring in new talents with fresh and exhilarating ideas for the property.

    I was excited for the new Apocalypse movie, he is one of my favorite villains, but after Singer’s statement that the story will again center around the Cow’s love relationship with Magneto, and the reveal of that horrible Apocalypse design, sorry but I lost all interest and I am already bored with it.

  • Stalkeye

    Oh, I’m more than aware of it being a “Give the people what they want” however, there was too much Overkill from Marvel’s part. Wolve didnt blow up until that Issue when he diced members of the Hellfire Club circa 1980 I believe. Also, I’m still disappointed at marvel for not giving Len Wein, Herb Trimpe and John Romita any royalties since it was their creation. Mostly Wien’s.

    Love the game, that’s why i still own the original Disc. That’s the best X-men related games since X-men vs Streetfighter.

  • KilliK

    yep, as I always say blame the audience, not the studios. at least, for most of the time.

  • KilliK

    semantics.

    it’s the context of the scene which matters, and in that context Anakin was a goddamn starship pilot. as I said poetic beauty, movie magic, a kid with his dream.

    Lucas could show you that retarded kid piloting a balloon in TMP, which would still be in accordance with the definition of the word pilot used in OTT. would you still be satisfied with that?

  • Kyle Fulton

    No. But he didn’t. He showed us a kid piloting a vehicle so insanely difficult to pilot that the vast majority of entrants in any given race die. Sorry, but you will never find a way to describe that kid as anything less than a great pilot.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    “that’s sort of like complaining that James Bond movies keep being about James Bond.”

    How so? The concept of James Bond is supposed to be centered around a single, central character; X-Men is, by its nature, about a large group of characters, a team. I don’t get the comparison.

    Wolverine is not the X-Men. He’s a popular supporting character who became over-exposed in an attempt to pander to his fanbase, and all to the detriment of other aspects of the property (in both comics and – especially – the movies). He’s okay, but personally, I find him a rather boring superhero. He’s comparable to Batman in many ways; his fans are rabid and demand the character always be completely indestructible and unbeatable, which often leads the storylines into ludicrous areas.

    Jackman has done a good job, but it’s time to let someone else take on the mantle.

  • Kyle Fulton

    Just because there’s plenty to explore doesn’t mean that not doing so is a crime. I LIKE Magneto, X, Mystique, and Wolverine, and I’m more than happy to keep watching movies about them, just like I’ve happily seen 23 James Bond movies, a dozen Sherlock Holmes movies, and god only knows how many Dracula movies. Would I be excited to see what they could do with other characters? Sure. But that’s not going to make me suddenly stop liking the ones I already like.

  • Kyle Fulton

    I never read the story you’re talking about, to be honest. pre-90’s X-Men are absolutely not my wheelhouse. Which could be the main sticking point here, actually; I’ve never known an X-Men that DOESN’T center around Wolverine.

  • Kyle Fulton

    Because the X-men MOVIES are not meant to be about a large group. They established Wolverine as the lead very, very firmly in the very first one. If you haven’t caught on to that by now, 16 years later, that’s on you. He’s simply NOT a supporting character in the movies, whether you like it or not.

  • Kyle Fulton

    Oh, incidentally, the crazy rabid bat-fans are a subset, not the majority. I’m the biggest Batman fan on the planet, but his being unbeatable isn’t any good. My whole thing isn’t that you can’t beat Batman, it’s that you’re unlikely to beat him TWICE if he survives the first go-round.

  • Stalkeye

    Sure as Shit looks that way. But it’s not a bad thing and there are quite a few nice set pieces-Wolverine gunning down soldiers with a 50 cal, the boss fight with the Blob and taking down a Sentinel 500 ft above ground.
    The now defunct Raven was an amazing game developer studio indeed.

  • Stalkeye
  • KilliK

    you keep missing my point. a podracer is not a starship, no matter how you cut it. yes, sure, he piloted it, so it means he was already a pilot. so the prequel remains faithful to Obi’s description of Anakin, because it didnt depict him as a plumber of a chef, but as a pilot, even it it meant a podracer pilot. no problem with that.

    BUT Obi clearly meant a STARSHIP pilot, that was the context of his words, and I already provided two good reasons for that. Do you think it was a coincidence that everyone thought he was referring to a starship pilot until TMP came out?

    now, you claim that Lucas having the kid as a podracer pilot is the best thing he could do to maintain a level of continuity between his trilogies. It makes more sense that an 8 years old kid could already be a great podracer pilot, than a starship pilot before he met Obi.

    BUT again, that happened because Lucas made the big mistake to start the prequel trilogy with Anakin as a child instead of a teen.Things would have been a lot better if he had done latter.

  • Stalkeye

    Funny, that’s Asi’s favorite as well.

  • KilliK

    it’s a crime when you explore only ONE thing in 8 fucking movies. while deliberately ignoring all the rest of the mythology.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Read the thread again, man. It’s not me who’s arguing that point. I’m not talking about Obi Wan’s speech to Luke; I’m referring to the fact that Anakin, in TPM, calls himself a pilot in relation to his podracing. Obviously, ANH Obi Wan was referring to Anakin’s ship flying skills – which were also demonstrated (perhaps poorly) throughout the prequels.

  • KilliK

    uh, ok then, sorry.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    We were discussing whether commandeering a hovering podracer could come under the term “piloting”. I wasn’t defending the ANH reference and trying to align it with TPM (that was Kyle), just the former point.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Yeah, that’s what I mean.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Then they should be sued for false advertising. When I go to see a movie titled “X-Men” (plural), I expect to see a movie about multiple superheroes. Otherwise, they should just have dropped all pretenses and called the series “X-Man” or “Wolverine” to begin with.

  • Stalkeye

    C’mon Jack, there’s plenty of uses for the now defunct Wii Console. *wink*

  • KilliK

    “Wolverine and a bunch of other people with mutant powers”

  • Kyle Fulton

    Yeah, and I once saw a movie called Man of Steel with no men made of steel in it. What’s your fucking point?

  • Kyle Fulton

    It’s NOT a crime to focus on one part of a mythology. Not every aspect of every story has to be represented in every adaptation.

  • Kyle Fulton

    And again, did Kenobi say “He was a great starship pilot when I met him?” No, He said PILOT. Just pilot. AND HE WAS A GREAT PILOT WHEN THEY MET. That’s it. It’s that simple. You’re looking for a problem that just isn’t there. “I wanna be a pilot.” “You know your dad was a great pilot.” THE END.

  • Yeah, it’s mostly the forehead tattoo, I could live with the others. I just always thought of the Joker as an extremely non- self reflecting character and those tattoos are a tad too self-aware.

  • Kyle Fulton

    My thoughts are that he would do literally anything for attention. In some stories that means wearing a bright purple suit. In some it means makeup instead of his face just being mutilated into the shape and color it is. In some it evidently means wearing his own severed face like a mask! I have no trouble believing that one would just get some crazy “LOOK AT ME AREN’T I JUST THE JOKERIST!” tattoos.

  • Maybe the tattoos are just a tad too slick.

  • Kyle Fulton

    Was that sarcasm? There are some good games in that lineup.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    My “fucking point” is that the X-Men, either in comic book or movie form, were never solely, or even chiefly, intended to be about Wolverine, despite your claims. You’ve even admitted your bias, as you started reading the comics during the nineties period when the character dominated. Well, so what? There were thirty years of comics before that. Deal with it.

    And, no, Wolverine wasn’t established as the “lead” of the movie series, either. He was used, in his capacity as a majorly recurring character, as an anchoring point for the general, non-comic reading audience, and accordingly granted a hefty amount of screen-time. But established as the lead? Not in the slightest, and certainly not after the first thirty minutes of X1. There are no leads in X-Men. The protagonist team is the “lead”.

  • Kyle Fulton

    It’s funny how you say there’s no lead in the films in the same discussion in which you complain that there is one.

  • Stalkeye

    Dude, that was a snapshot of my Modded Wii console.
    I have a collection of Wii games stored in my flashdrive that I had ripped from my purchased copies. It not only extends the longevity of the disc drive, but also convenient when choosing which games to play instead of skimming through your curio. (0=

  • Jack Randomm

    Nice.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    A lead is a character around whom the plot revolves. The X-Men movie plots don’t revolve around Wolverine. I’m certainly not complaining Wolverine is the de facto narrative lead, because he isn’t; I’m complaining that he has too much screen time (along with Xavier, Magneto and the Cow). These are mutually exclusive points and not in the least contradictory.

    I stated only that Wolverine was a major, recurring character and a fan favorite, and, in the original film, served as the audience’s conduit into the world of mutants. Anointing him the lead simply on these grounds would be like claiming R2-D2 and C-3PO are the leads in A New Hope, where they performed much the same narrative function (the movie follows their progress from the opening battle until they get to Luke’s homestead; in the case of X-Men, we follow a drifting Wolverine until he reaches Xavier’s School). Also comparably, Han Solo, in the Star Wars OT, is a recurring character and a fan favorite, but he’s not the lead, either.

  • KilliK

    well said. but I am afraid Han will become the lead in SW7..sigh..

  • Stalkeye

    LOL @ everyone still debating while the outro music is being played. Fucking Gold!
    You guys should do a WHOLE episode in that format.

  • KilliK

    HOLY SHIT TURD!

    When you thought the shameless fan service in TFA couldnt get any worse:

    https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2015/07/27/empire-magazine-teases-ewoks-v-kylo-ren-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

    there are other movie/geek sites which claim the same thing. TFA will have a scene with a Sith chopping Ewoks left and right.

    Ofc, this might not be the case but until the Empire issue comes out, we wont know for sure. But it’s exactly the kind of unabashed salesmanship tactics we would expect from Cocknose.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Jesus wept. That CANNOT be real. It has to be a joke. Has to be.

  • KilliK

    frankly, I hope it is not. The more JJ fucks up the movie, the more we can rip it apart.

  • KilliK

    what mod did you use?

  • Stalkeye

    You’re welcome.

  • KilliK

    thanks

  • Kyle Fulton

    Saying that the plot doesn’t revolve around Wolverine in the movies he’s in is just plain not true. It’s a ridiculous statement given the definition of lead you provided. The first movie is the only one I might be able to give you, but even it is told (almost) entirely from his perspective. The second revolves completely around his past, and the villain’s actions are motivated in part by his. The third literally kills the only other characters you could call leads, and the whole story revolves around his relationship with Jean. The two Wolverine movies are OBVIOUSLY his, and Days of Future Past centers around him, specifically, being sent back in time to change the past. How in god’s name can you tell me with a straight face that he’s not the lead character in at LEAST five out of the seven existing X-Men films? It’s ridiculous.

  • Toruk_Makto

    As far as I’m concerned Wolverine’s bones claws are non-existent. They were a ridiculous entry by whoever writer at the time that I completely ignore.