Captain America: Civil War has thrown down the gauntlet. Accept no challenges! Captain America: Civil War has thrown down the gauntlet. Accept no challenges!
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No Real Spoilers for those who have yet to see this highly anticipated sequel!

If anyone would ask me why Captain America is my favorite Superhero, I would easily list a few reasons;

  • He’s an accomplished martial artist, acrobat, a brilliant tactician.
  • The very first comic character with an African-American sidekick who is treated as an equal partner instead of some flunky.
  • Cap is the pinnacle of perfection in regard to strength, speed and stamina.
  • Then there’s his iconic uniform ( Chainmail and those Buccaneer boots?) and mighty Shield.
  • Although he was not a founding member of the Avengers, not only did Cap quickly assumed the role as leader, but he trained Ironman, Hawkeye, and many others in hand to hand combat. An exceptional strategist, Captain America leads the charge with the infamous battle cry: “Avengers Assemble!” It takes a living legend to command a God of Thunder!

But above all the other reasons, I would easily say that it’s his courage of conviction and being a conscientious objector that motivates him to either question authority (Turning in his Uniform and Shield when the Government demanded that he should work for their best “interests”.) or taking matters within his own hands, whenever he suspects something that is not right.

And in the case of the latter, Steven Rodgers aka Captain America, is forced to take on the United States Government and even worse-half of the Earth’s Mightiest Heroes led by his former friend and ally Anthony Stark!

In Captain America: Civil War, the third installment of the Marvel series loosely based on Mark Millar’s divisive graphic novel, lines have been drawn when Cap and the Avengers make an attempt to stop Hydra Mercenary, Crossbones from acquiring an experimental biological weapon. Unfortunately, things go south real fast after collateral damage indirectly caused by one of the team members.

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After the backlash via media and public outcry, the Avengers are now seen as irresponsible. (Sound familiar?) In steps former General, now Secretary of State Thaddeus “Thunderbolt” Ross who holds court at a meeting with the Avengers, and after suggest that it is within the best interest for the Avengers to work with the United Nations’ that will allow them to oversee and control the Avengers. Tony, feeling responsible for the past deaths that have occurred during his watch agrees. While of course, Steve thinks otherwise.

However, the real lynchpin to what sets the stage is Winter Soldier. It seems that Cap’s best friend James Buchanan Barnes aka Bucky has to atone for his past acts of terrorism. Rogers is forced not only to go against those who are in favor of cooperating with the government but for the most part, protecting his friend Bucky from being assassinated let alone captured and therein lies the dilemma.

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Captain America Civil War is the third and by far the best chapter of the legendary Marvel Superhero films because it dares to question our very own moral compass regardless of what side you root for. Unlike the Comic adaptation, there simply is no cut and dry as I often found myself empathizing with both Stark and Rogers especially during the 3rd act. How far are you willing to go when what you feel is doing the right thing or most importantly defending your best friend? Joe and Anthony Russo has the answers!

This aint the fucking "Superfriends"! Civil War keeps it real!

This aint the fucking “Superfriends”! Civil War keeps it real!

 

Marvel spared no punches literally when making this sequel! The fight scenes are the best of what I have seen from any comic based film. If you were impressed by what you have seen in 2014’s The Winter Soldier, this pales in comparison to its successor. The action is non-stop and even during the dialog scenes, you will be stunned. There is pathos, drama and well placed comedic bits and unlike last Year’s age of Ultron, the humorous scenes didn’t have me rolling my eyes constantly.

"Avengers, assembly required"!

“Avengers, assembly required”!

 

However, the biggest and most welcomed surprise goes to Black Panther and Spiderman respectively!  Tom Holland’s portrayal of the iconic Web Slinger is the best since Tobey Maguire’s Spiderman, be it his naiveté, the trademark snappy banter during combat and of course his youthfulness. After what I have seen its more than evident that Marvel should take over the franchise especially since Sony failed miserably during that last three films.  Hopefully the upcoming “Homecoming” will finally break Spiderman’s losing streak at the box office.

YES!!

YES!!

 

I cheer loudly when first laying eyes on the Black Panther as he makes his first appearance in full gear because he is the very first Black superhero of all comicdom and the fact that Tchalla is Marvel’s answer to Batman, gave me more reason to be excited and guess what, it paid off! Chadwick Boseman was fantastic as BP and his motivations for choosing Ironman’s side, is quite obvious.

Fuck, yes!!

Fuck, YES!!

 

Throughout the film, you’ll witness shifting allegiances and a few clever revelations. one in particular may shock and surprise you. If there is one critique and its somewhat minor, would be the main villain and the obvious trope that is associated with but I have seen a far worse antagonist from a previous film not too long ago. *AHEM* There’s also the clever fan service nods that will have many giving thunderous applause!

"Kindly return my Shield, Captain or suffer the consequences"!

“Kindly return my Shield Captain or you will suffer dire consequences”!

 

Aside from the outstanding performances of both Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr, I gotta give it up to the supporting cast members; Anthony Mackie and Paul Rudd in particular. The dialogue between those two almost made me wish for an Ant-Man and Falcon solo project. Who knew the Russo Brothers was capable of actually making a great balance of comedy within a heavy themed action film?  These guys are the real deal and to have a sequel that is more successful than their previous effort, says plenty.

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Without going into further detail, Captain America: Civil War is the Superhero film to look out for this entire year and so far, the best! There is a bit of catharsis toward the end and the staple of Marvel films’ post credits scenes will leave you with a sense that the best is yet to come!

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Whose side am I on? Well, when it comes to high quality Superhero films, Make mine Marvel!

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  • Tarmac492.1

    great review Mang!! Will def catch this in a few weeks. the cap movies have a nice emotional weight to them.

  • Xiphos

    big ball of Meh like all Marvel flicks.

  • jim83

    I am a little torn regarding Spider-man’s inclusion in Civil War.On one hand i was glad to see the best Spidey portrayal ever on the big screen, on the other his inclusion seemed a little forced and a little bit out of place with the rest of the movie.I will have to see again to make up my mind but yeah the movie was amazing,definitely a big step up from Age Of Ultron and highly recommended.

  • Tarmac492.1

    Rumour has it Piscopo was originally tapped for Iron Man but his biceps were too big for the suit and his talent too big for the project.

  • The captain America movies are definitely my favorite of the marvel franchises and can’t wait to see this.

  • Captain Deceased

    Always bet on black…Panther.
    Dude was legit. You did not need a long origin story to get behind this guy. By the end, he exemplifies what a true hero is.
    As for the rest of the film. Amazing. Got a little misty seeing Spider-Man finally on screen with the rest of the MCU.
    And his Ruddness provided the perfect amount of comedy to the proceedings. Big laughs.*ahem*

  • Toruk_Makto

    Overall, I thought it was good.
    But I had to deduct 3 big points for the 90’s era incestuous plot contrivance. “You killed my…” Fiuck right off…
    I’m sorry but out of all the lame tropes out there that is the one I hate the most. Fucking Hate.

    It’s lazy and it’s fucking lame.

    99.99% of the people trying to kill each other in the world have plenty of reasons in their mind for doing so.

    About .01% are doing it because the other person killed their mommy and daddy.
    Do better.

    Other than that…it was pretty good. 7/10

  • Thats why the Godfather series sucks ass. Francis should have done better. Revenge for parents…. What a load of crap. Imagine if they made a character whos sole purpose for being was because his parents were killed…… That would be hilarious.

  • Toruk_Makto

    And when Batman 1989 pulled that Joker killed his parents nonsense I called bullshit on that too. Used sparingly is one thing…both of those instances felt like amateur hour.

    Being a homicidal maniac isn’t enough for Batman to want to take down the Joker? Oh course it is…”You killed my mommy” is a motivation for the cheap seats who can’t fathom people coming to blows over ideals vs personal vendetta’s .

  • exactly . Thats why the Punisher is such a lame character. Boo hoo, your family got killed. No reason to get all bent out of shape about it. Lazy. Do better !!

  • jim83

    That was Tim Burton’s idea by the way, Sam Hamm said that in an interview because he was getting a lot of shit from the fans about it.

  • Toruk_Makto

    It was a real stink-er-oo Mr Burton.

  • Bop

    I was totally not exited for this movie after the abysmal Avengers Age Of Ultron, which left a sour taste in my mouth. Also, I didn’t feel Winter Soldier at all. Still glad I checked out Civil War,though. It was a bit long, but I loved the interaction between the people and I agree the action scenes were the best of any Marvel movie so far. The airport scene is fantastic and the Russo brothers made me a believer. Now I really want to see their Infinity War. The person who totally stole the show for me was Ant-Man. If he is also that funny in the Ant-Man movie I’d better watch that movie really fast. Civil War was better than I expected and I have to thank the Russo brothers for that.

  • Bop

    Fucking Hollywood.

  • Dee-abolik
  • Slate_Fistcrunch

    You’ve got to try harder.

  • Slate_Fistcrunch

    You are not only the king of mindless repetition, but false equivalencies.

  • Dee-abolik

    Guess the same motive makes it The Godfather.

  • Slate_Fistcrunch

    Razz is the MCU of commenters.

  • Dee-abolik

    Yeah I already have the fatigue.

  • Kylo Ronin

    Dope flick.

  • Bop

    Oh, and Crossbones reminded me of the Udon studios version of Taskmaster.

  • Toruk_Makto

    Wait…so that’s your argument?

    Those characters parents were killed so let me use that crutch whenever I need to manufacture pathos and animosity?

    You don’t find that a little stagnant…a tad uncreative…a bit of a cop-out?

  • Toruk_Makto

    Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back…popular movie…has one of the biggest “Oh My Gawd” moments in movie history.

    This is hack-thought..,
    Instead of coming up with their own original movie moment..they use someone else’s…all the the time.

    “That’s so great i’m going to put it on all my work!”

    HackMovie 1- This is how its done – “Bill, I’m your father!”
    Gonna put a little twist on this time!

    HackMovie 2 – Electric Boogaloo – “Jessie…I’m your Uncle!”
    Don’t want em to see me coming…this one is really gonna get em!

    HackMovie 3 – You lookin a me? – “Betty…I’m your Mother…and your Sister!”
    My Magnum Opus (special shot out to Star Wars…without you none of this would be possible)

    HackMovie 4 – Keep comin back for more – “Jessica & Tim…we’re evil…but we are also your identical twins separated from birth and forced to watch reruns on the Razzbender network all our life. We can’t be blamed..come on…bring it in for some love.”

    Drop the mic…Hacks unite!

  • CoolHandJuke

    I’ll be rewatching the best comic book movie ever instead: the dark Knight rises…

  • Captain Genius

    winter soldier

  • Captain Genius

    spidey was ok and black panther was cool, but falcon was the fucking man.

    he was a straight up gi joe. the airport fight was fun. but the rest of the film was a fucking bummer. not my cuppa tea right now

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  • Captain Deceased

    I prefer your sister Judyswallows4.

  • Captain Deceased

    You changed your name and fucked up my joke.

  • Yes- Total hack job.

  • Im agreeing with you 100%. Total hacks. Can´t understand the praise.

  • Thanks Slate. That means the world to me coming from you.

  • Why?

  • He gets it.

  • Frimmel

    Likely spoilers ******************

    My problem with that particular aspect of the film is there are scenes missing from the movie. The movie could have been ABOUT the futility and cost of revenge and what the pursuit of justice should look like. There was a lot of space there for why Tchalla and Tony are teaming up.

    I did say SPOILERS right? ***************

    That Cap knew Bucky had killed Stark’s parents came out of nowhere and was practically a throw away line in another segment of over-used “fake handheld.” The film did not build to that very well. (Leaving aside the why is there a camera in that particular section of lonely country road in 1991 and why was a man as wealthy as Howard Stark driving himself with a trunk full of a version of super-soldier serum?)

    The movie short shirfted what it was really about or should have been about, how we handle loss, in favor of bringing Spidey into the fold and working in all of the Avengers save Hulk and Thor. The arguments for either side of the Civil War were more or less sound bites and shorted as well for being more a third Avengers film and less a third Cap film.

    While they didn’t make the same mistakes the AoU makes in jamming all the properties into this there is a lot of things that the movie could have been fine or better without. It is all handled much more elegantly than AoU but I felt the film really should have been called “Avengers: Civil War.”

    I was also put off again by the technical choices. This is a what $250 million dollar film? Large sections of it though are made to look like a film student’s final project shot or the now ubiquitous desaturated bouncy framing style. The enormous battle at the airport stands out largely due to it being in the light and having much more color to it. But the well choregraphed action gets buried again in throwing the camera around and sections of speeding things up at times are quite noticeable.

    The action really felt like they’d just thrown the whole gamut in there with a sort of we-haven’t-used-this-yet sensibility.

    There is also a bit of a downer in the film for Cap and I found it a bit oddly and awkwardly juxtaposed with a more happy moment for Cap.

    While I am down on the film it does work on the big not too dumb popcorn movie level. None of these films even the ones I really hate **Iron Man 3 I’m looking at you** are cinematic travesties but they also never seem to really reach for the heights and this is no exception.

    8/10 on the just want to see a big dumb action movie with wisecracks scale

    6/10 on the wanting something better scale.

  • Frimmel

    This wasn’t really a Cap movie. It was much more Avengers: Civil War.

  • Frimmel

    Agreed on Spidey. Pretty good Peter and pretty good Spidey. I couldn’t get with Marisa Tomei as May. Yes, May, not Aunt May. And his inclusion was the most “we need to work the connected universe in there even if it isn’t the best service of the story” aspect of the film.

  • Frimmel

    Really liked Boseman and the film should have had much more of Tony and Tchalla mourning their fathers and coming to grips with that. The film could have really been about something, how we handle loss, and not just a popcorn action flick. I also feel like the failures of Iron Man 3 are starting to snowball now for Tony as far as AoU and CW go.

  • Stalk👁

    Falcon had me wishing for a solo project. Not only did he kick ass, but his banter was brilliant. (I love his “Mark Furhman” remark!) I’m sorry that you were left disappointed but I loved Civil war and will definitely preorder my Blu-Ray copy.

  • Stalk👁

    We need Tasky to fill in for Crossbones. He’s a way better villain than both Zemo and Crossbones! Not to mention, that can give the avengers a run for their money!

  • Stalk👁

    I wasn’t bullshiting when I said Ant-man was one of the best films of 2015.
    AOU despite a few cool scenes, had failed to live up to my expectations and now the Russos are the new spearhead of the MCU.
    Winter Soldier was excellent BTW.

  • Stalk👁

    It deserve more than a “7”. (Ugh, there’s no pleasing you guys!LMMFAO)
    The revenge factor has been around for ages that is true but in BP’s case, it worked exceptionally well. SPOILERS After his father T’chaka was murdered, this incident was the catalyst for him to take action and join Stark’s side only to realize that Bucky was set up by Zemo and when he could’ve easily dispatched of the main antagonist, he decided hat vengeance is not all cut n’ dry and instead brought him to justice so that he may atone for his crimes while proving Barnes’ innocence.That’s the makings of a Hero.Zemo’s motivation however, was tiring. That I agree on

  • Stalk👁

    “The arguments for either side of the Civil War were more or less sound bites and shorted as well for being more a third Avengers film and less a third Cap film.”

    To be honest, there should have been more dialog in regard to the Sokovia Accords and less about “nabbing Bucky” but overall, the film still added in a few scenes that were tantamount to the story.

    “There is also a bit of a downer in the film for Cap and I found it a bit oddly and awkwardly juxtaposed with a more happy moment for Cap.”

    If I had to nitpick, yes it would be the questionable scene when cap kissed Agent 13 who after Peggy had passed on. Was there time to grieve at least and why did he “move on” so quickly? That was a bit tacky.

  • Stalk👁
  • Stalk👁

    HA-HAH! Cool Avi “Captain Deceased”!
    “You did not need a long origin story to get behind this guy. By the end, he exemplifies what a true hero is. “ Exactly, that!

    Rudd was amazing and his role as Ant-Man is the best performance since “I Love you, man”.

  • jim83

    Movie had a certain pace up until then and it just halted with Tony stopping by Peter’s place. Good scene, but i feel it would have been a better fit in an extended edition, but i guess i am in the minority on that one.Also i didn’t like the fact that this movie wasn’t really about the registration act, it was at first but then they dumped the political aspect that was so prevalent in the beginning for a more personal story between Cap, Tony and Bucky.The ending battle at the end between those three ultimately didn’t have anything to do with the registration act at all.Overall i liked CW as much as i did the Winter Soldier it’s just that both movies succeed and fail at different aspects which is fine.

  • Stalk👁

    There’s always Batman vs Superman. 😛

  • Frimmel

    The film doesn’t just throw away the “sides” of the civil war but it doesn’t really drill into them. While it is fairly “gray” aspect to it which the movie got right by the end of the film the gray also felt like a cop out and excuse to not pick a side. And they really skirted around the whole extra-judicially ordered execution of Bucky.

    As for the Ms. Carters. Tacky is a good word for it but I think it is more how this isn’t Cap’s movie really. I don’t think it was timing so much as they didn’t give enough other lead in. That the end was coming for Peggy should have been a scene before the opening battle and a bit of a distraction for Cap. And we should have had something with Agent 13 and Cap before the funeral and more with how high the stakes were for Sharon in helping Cap. It was rushed and badly handled. The movie never really pulled me back after Peggy’s funeral.

  • jim83

    I would have liked to see Crossbones with a resurrected Red Skull but after CW i don’t see that happening.

  • Stalk👁

    Yeah that kinda sucks because Crossbones could have been further utilized and instead ended up like some throwaway nemesis. (Same goes for Batroc from The Winter Soldier movie.)
    I like Frank Grillo and always pictured him for a Punisher Movie after seeing The Purge: Anarchy.
    Its unfortunate that he’s out of the Marvel cinematic universe now.😐

  • Frimmel

    That was a great big left turn and I agree it mucked up the pace with Tony going to recruit Peter. It didn’t go “ker-klunk” as it was well written but is very difficult to take as anything along with the airport as other than selling tickets to a rebooted Spidey.

    The movie should have been about Cap, Tony, Bucky, Tchalla and how to handle loss and the difference between justice and vengeance. Or at least more about that since it wasn’t enough about the registration/Sokovia Accords/Who gets to control the power.

    There is a story of masculine devotion to duty,honor, lovers, family, and friends and the ways that drives men (particularly Tony) that all of these films keep skirting around and giving short shift to. Iron Man 3 is an enormous failure in that regard. And that differing attitude to duty and views of what is right could have been a key aspect of what Cap sees in Sharon Carter over Black Widow but then we wouldn’t have time for Spidey or Tony’s angst in Cap’s movie.

    Wow does this film get to be more and more like the problems of AoU as I think and write about it.

  • jim83

    Did they kill Batroc? I don’t remember that. Deathlok would also be a good addition for a future film but unfortunately he is stuck in TV land.I wonder if they’ll give Cap a version of the Nomad costume now that he is on the run.

  • Toruk_Makto

    Get away from me Razzbender! Before I bend your Razz!

  • Awesome movie

  • Stalk👁

    Batroc escaped and that was the end of that. Although I loved his appearance and the fight between him and Cap, it was like a cameo.
    I love Deathlok but creator Rich Buckler and the heads at Marvel Studios dont see eye to eye.

    Buckler expressed his disapoint to me personally and as for the AOS version, its very insulting to the character’s legacy.

  • Toruk_Makto

    Not exactly helping my appreciation.

    I tried to forget that they used the “My pahwents were killed” deal not once…not twice…but three fricken times in the same movie. Until you just reminded me. That ain’t helping!

    “Want to git this character up off their ass? Better kill mommy or daddy…or both!”
    I’m sorry..but if that’s your only motivation for jumpin into action you’re not exactly wowing me in the hero category. I liked what he did at the end…but the parents shtick in this movie made me sick.

    I enjoyed Spider-man’s motivation ten-times more.

  • jim83

    I don’t hate AoU, far from it i think it has a few scenes like the Hulkbuster fight scene along with the action packed intro that will end up being highlights for the franchise in general, it’s just that unlike CW, AoU didn’t really build organically from what happened in prior MCU films.If we had seen the seeds of Ultron in say Iron-Man 3 it would have a bigger impact.They spent a lot of time on that damn farm instead of giving more time to develop the creation of Ultron.Plus the snarky version of Ultron and the poor design (teeth for god’s sake)/effects didn’t help much.Ultron should have been the skynet of the MCU,should have caused global panic and yet the restricted it to Sokovia which was a mistake.

  • Frimmel

    My problem with AoU is it tries to do to much while also doing too little. I liked the farm but there isn’t enough of the rest of the movie that goes with the stuff on the farm. The stuff with the Hulkbuster and Lullaby and so on around Hulk is also like that. Not enough of the motivation for that. The Banner, Cap, Widow, love triangle. Too much and not enough. It was an abbreviated +0.5 installment of whatever number the previous film for that character was.

    That is less noticeable with Civil War but I think they’re just getting better at it. I think Civil War suffers from this. They assume you’ve seen these other films and that you’ll see stuff down the road. These films have become far too beholden to “The MCU Franchise” and not enough to being good stand on their own movies.

    It used to be that even a sequel had to largely stand on its own. Not so with these Marvel films. You have to go back and see the others. You need the back issues. I guess they really have brought comics to the big screen.

  • CoolHandJuke

    Tank Girl!

  • Toruk_Makto

    Spoilers!

    I enjoyed the flick and loved the characters so I didn’t really have any interested in dissecting it. There was one element that really bugged me so I mentioned it and would have left it at that.

    But yeah, if I wanted to dig further I would say that the whole argument against the heroes felt like grade-a weak-sauce.

    I don’t know how it went down in the comics but the whole thing felt a little forced to me. When they showed the New York footage and Ross was staring back at them accusingly I almost spit out my soda.

    You gotta be fuckin kiddin me…they were using Aliens coming out the bloomin sky as ammunition against the Avengers and none of them cried bullshit? Instead…they showed them with their heads lowered…because, you know..they caused all that. Weak…they should have left that particular incident out of it because it made their case really weak.

    Also the stakes didn’t seem that high.

    You work for us…or you retire.

    1) Ross is got some pretty big testies..he must have alien army waiting in the wings to do his bidding…cause that hit squad of his is scaring nobody.

    2) I would’ve quit… let em live underneath the supervillians boot for a few years. They’d be begging for the old status quot…jerkoffs.

    Best parts for me were Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man, Ant-Man and Falcon. Cap,Panther, and Bucky were good but overall I agree the film would’ve been tighter without having to juggle so many elements.

  • Stalk👁

    Well, it worked for Batman I guess but although I am compelled to agree with the vengeance trope being overused, ( I bitched about it after reading both Cobra Commander and the Baroness’ origins from the 90’s GiJoe comics.)
    Zemo’s motive was a result of the Sakovia incident and the tragic outcome of Stark’s creation of Ultron lended creedance to the Civil War plot.

    Zemo was usually your “take ovr the Worrrlld” villain ergo, I found his motive a little refreshing. He’s still boring for a main antagonist however.

  • Stalk👁

    Welcome BW and yes, it was the most fun I had in the theaters! Aside from Empire Strikes Back and the first Avengers film.

  • Stalk👁

    Gijoe Retaliation!😂

  • Toruk_Makto

    Spoilers!

    I kind of yawned when the bad guys full motivation was revealed…I found his whole deal to be lackluster.

    What bugged me most is the incestuous story elements. Everyone has to be connected somehow ..just too convenient..and kinda silly

    (
    BP – You killed my father I must come after you)
    Bucky – I didn’t kill your father..I killed his father.
    Tony – wait…you killled my father?
    Bucky – Yeah..and your mom.
    Tony – You bastard!
    BP – Wait..who killed my father?
    Zemo – I killed your father..
    BP – You son of a..
    Zemo – but only because he[points at Tony] killed my family! (or people, or coworkers or whatever he lost in AOU)
    Tony – Oh geez…
    )
    . It’s like some Friends show where everyone has boned everyone else at least once.

    I would have loved it if the primary reason T’Challa got involved was because they brought drama to his. land. Apparently his father died in the comics so I would have left that simply a backstory.

    He tells Ross that he will be the official “enforcer” of these accords (which actually lends some credence to Ross talking all that shit). Plus it makes him look like a double-badass as he apparently isn’t concerned about the opposition.

    Boom, Black Panther is in the mix without any cliched reasoning. Maybe he sticks with Ross at the end…maybe he tells him he’s douche and goes back to Wakanda.

    But hey…I liked, and still like Age of Ultron..and everyone shits on that. Doesn’t bother me.

    I think both flicks are good….we are in very good place these days.

    We actually have authentic comic book movies with authentic comic book characters. We should have been at this point 20 years ago! Now we just have to debate the merits of a particular tale…which is how it’s supposed to be.

  • Frimmel

    ************* More Spoilers. *****************

    The whole part where if Scarlet Witch hadn’t levitated the exploding dude into the air he’d have blown up in a market full of people and they should consider themselves lucky it was just eleven got left out as well.

    In the comic a bunch of punk kid heroes are doing a reality show. They try to bust some villains laying low who are actually out of their league. The villains blow up a school full of kids and a bit of the surrounding residential neighborhood. This adds to the air of “mutant registration” in the broader world (not familar with those stories but apparently they create a “mutant reservation”) and you get various conflicts between wanting to do good and just being slaves of the government. It was very much Tony being the bad guy and Cap being the good guy.

  • Stalk👁

    I give you points for that. just like Snake eyes being responsible for the Baroness and Cobra Commander’s brother, respectively. That being said, I over looked it because i enjoyed the film immensely and was happy to see BP’s onscreen debut. CW is a HUGE step up from both Age of Ultron and especially batman vs Superman!

  • Toruk_Makto

    SPOILERS

    ‘”whole part where if Scarlet Witch hadn’t levitated the exploding dude into the air he’d have blown up in a market full of people and they should consider themselves lucky it was just eleven got left out as well.”

    Lol. I know…talk about a serious case of Monday morning quarterbacking.

  • Frimmel

    What was badly handled overall by the film is the timeline and mystery around the death of Howard Stark and who knows what when. The movies didn’t earn the emotional beats or demonstrate the motivations very well or really let the soap opera at the heart of this play out. And they didn’t really decide what the movie was going to be ABOUT. It was really only a modest step up from the script only serving to get us to the next action scene. It wasn’t quite the plot leading the characters around but it could see it without binoculars.

  • Bop

    The Crow

  • Frimmel

    “Dredd”

  • Bop

    Batroc was underused. GSP was playing him so it should have been a big , big slugfest.

  • Bop

    I watch a small piece of Ant-Man already. So far hilarious and if the rest of the movie is as good, it will definitely be one of the best movies of 2015. Loved the camera work immensely.

  • Toruk_Makto

    Could be the result of trying to cram larger story-lines into two hours.

    I think the whole “Civil War” dynamic would play out better in a universe that isn’t so young (or handicapped with time-constraints). I don’t think there is anything to be done for that though given the medium.

    With episodic television you can more easily mimic the longevity and deep character development available in the comics…with blockbuster tent-poles…not so much.

    But alas..they aren’t going to change their layout anytime soon…and especially not because I say so.

  • Bop

    I hoped they would battle all those enhanced soldiers. Zemo was really a bit toned down.

  • Bop

    Where is Diamondback, damnit? 😛

  • Bop

    Panther was definitely a great addition.

  • Frimmel

    Agreed these films are starting to feel like the “condensed books” version. They aren’t digging into so much of the stuff they bring up in AoU and now Civil War.

  • Stalk👁

    “Toned down” was putting it nicely. The Super soldier battle would have been the icing before the Ironman Cake but for budgetary reasons, they had to ditch that potential fight scene.

  • Stalk👁

    It’s a fun film and not too heavy handed. I thought Douglas, Pena and Rudd was the best thing about this Movie and of course a cameo appearance from a certain Winged Avenger.

  • Stalk👁

    I was impressed by George St.Pierre’s part as the infamous Mercenary and after that fight about the boat, i wished he had stuck around for the latter half of Winter Soldier.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Balls. The Punisher is a far more complex individual than that, and one of the best comic book characters.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    I liked Crossbones a lot, but they had to kill someone. Marvel are already far too reticent about killing off their heroes and villains. They should have had the balls to kill Rhodey, too.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    I’d’ve thought your favorite would’ve been Avengers XXX.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Loved it when he transformed into Giant-Man. I’d avoided all spoilers, so I wasn’t expecting that. I thought we might see something of that sort in the Ant-Man sequel, but definitely not this soon. I was almost tempted to giggle, but then I thought of Harry Knowles and spared my pride.

  • ErnestRister

    I really disliked Batman ’89.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    It was necessary to use the same trope repeatedly to create dramatic symmetry between those three characters, and to examine and contrast how each dealt with his grief (with Black Panther, in the end, coming off the noblest). If they all had vastly different and unrelated motivations for vengeance it would have clouded the issue.

  • Stalk👁

    Agreed about Rhodey. That was a cop out as with those expendables movies where everyone comes out alive in the end. GRRRRR!

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Hamlet was a total hack job as well. That damn Shakespeare. 😉

    “Hey, Claudius. You killed my father. Big mistake!”

  • Toruk_Makto

    Didn’t work for me.
    In fact, I didn’t like the vengeance motif in this film period.

    It would be enough for me that these characters fell on different sides of a political debate and had at it. Intertwining a bunch of personal motivations is what actually made it a bit sloppy for me.

    If you wanted to add personal repercussions as a result of the initial conflict that would have felt more organic to me.

  • Stalk👁

    BTW I read your review. Not bad but “6/6”?
    It mustv’e been the “Zemo factor” amirite?

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    I think they needed to thread both personal and political subplots through the story in order to make it well rounded, otherwise it would’ve become like a static C-SPAN debate…real talking heads stuff. Or a legal thriller, which the Marvel movies aren’t. We got a bit of that of that at the beginning and it was interesting, but it would’ve been difficult to progress a two and a half hour movie on such a direct, linear thread alone.

    Since these movies have always been globe-trotting action adventures first and foremost, the inclusion of some driving personal stakes to forward the plot and provide more intimate character motivation is required. I’m glad that aspect took over as the movie progressed; it afforded a greater level of investment for both the characters and audience come the climax, and allowed the narrative to be taken to an unexpected emotional place instead of relying on the usual huge battles. Also, since this was nominally a sequel to Winter Soldier, it was necessary to organically continue the Bucky story line. Having conflict arise only as a result of faceless destruction wouldn’t have been conducive to that.

    All told, I think the writers pulled off a fine balancing act.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Plus, the filmmakers can always borrow that vial of Kree blood from Agents of SHIELD if they desperately need to revive anyone for future story lines, so what’s the risk?

  • Toruk_Makto

    To each is own…a lot people were fine with it.

    I’m not.

    I don’t think the manufactured vengeance elements were necessary or helped the movie at all.

    I could have easily upped the stakes by turning what was a jovial little frackus into a serious situation when people actually started to get hurt.

    Because if you are going to play around with titles like: “Civil War” and have nations clamoring for change because they don’t like who is being killed than a serious situation and people hurting or getting hurt…or worse is what you’re going to have.

    If a character who has always believed they fought for good severely injures someone they once consider a friend because they believe in something they don’t that is a far,far more enticing and nourish-able nugget than the pedantic big mallet of “you killed my daddy”.

    One requires little introspection and contains the simple strokes of a crayola crown to follow while the other asks very hard questions to those who would dare wear the mantle of “Hero”.

    I’m also not sure how an episode of “Chase the Bucky” was a particularly fitting close for his chapter. As I watched everyone chase this Man-become-Mcguffin remnants of Three’s company and a Scooby Doo Mysteries kept coming to mind, mistaken identities and misunderstandings abound, replete with the fake costume reveal near the end.
    As for his character arc…In the end Bucky was in the same position he began…on the lam.

    So no…I don’t agree with all the storytelling choices they made. I think some of those choices could have been better.

    But like I said…I did like the movie…just not all of it.

  • Captain Genius

    haven’t seen it

  • Captain Genius

    oh, i’m buying the bluray as well.

  • Toruk_Makto

    I, in turn, overlooked a few other things because I too was very happy to see some characters on screen.

    I love the Scarlet Witch and Vision interactions…I could watch that all day (especially since I love watching Elizabeth).

    But another element I love about super-heroes clashing is that if it’s done right you get a perspective of just how formidable a characters powers are.

    For example…Spider-man. His moments were some of my favorite because when push comes to shove this is not someone you really to want fuck with.

    The combination of this guys powers makes him a fucking nightmare to deal with.

    Genius -level-intellect, Super-strength, speed, agility, the ability to stick to walls, shoots an insanely formidable webbing-fluid that can be molded into an innumerable number of weapons. A preternatural “Spider-sense” that warns him of danger…oh boy…the fucker is hell on wheels and it was great to see that reflected on screen.

    I also really like what they’re doing with Falcon in the character development department. I’d definitely watch a solo flick of his.

  • Dee-abolik

    Et tu, Brute?
    😉

  • Dee-abolik

    The bar what is considered as “brilliant” seems to be pretty low these days…

  • Stalk👁

    Spider-Man was definitely a force to be reckoned with and at the end, he earned Cap’s respect. That “Queens,Brooklyn” scene was one of the shining moments of the sequel. The post credits scene leads to interesting possibilities and I really hope Marvel can get back the rights from SONY. There’s word from a friend of a friend who works in the Movie industry, that it might actually happen.

  • Stalk👁

    LOL another reason why AoS is such a lame series.

  • Dee-abolik

    Great work Stalks! The rating isn’t exactly a surprise (heh) but you made me curious. I cannot say when I will see it though.

  • Toruk_Makto

    I have my doubts…when it comes to potential profit Sony is a tenacious bunch…but that would be something.

  • Toruk_Makto
  • Full score. I loved it.

  • I know.

  • Thats what they all say when the argument is lost.

  • I was beginning to think nobody knew about sarcasm……..

  • Dee-abolik

    No, that was too subtle.

  • Toruk_Makto

    I’m sure they do.

  • Slate_Fistcrunch
  • Slate_Fistcrunch

    Sarcasm again.

  • CoolHandJuke

    RIP Joannie…

  • KilliK

    the AOS version was a disgrace to the character.

  • Stalk👁

    6 is odd for a high score but I guess it means something different for Norwegians?

  • Stalk👁

    “A” for effort, ol chum. (0=

  • Stalk👁

    Is that a the name for some new Cologne used to cover those naughty scents after a cheating Husband or Boyfriend gets “down n dirty” with his mistress? 😛

  • Dee-abolik

    It should be!

  • Stalk👁

    Thanks, S! CW made up for the disappointment that was Age of Ultron and despite minor gripes, overall my friends and I had a great time at the theaters.
    How often that a Movie based on your favorite Superhero would drop exactly on your birthday? That was my favorite “present” even more than a Kureig and a $100 Microsoft points gift card! OK, I exaggerated a bit but you get the idea. (0=

  • Stalk👁

    PS

    A companion piece is in the works.

  • Stalk👁

    Oh she was “RIPped” alright.

  • Stalk👁

    Overrated! That’s right I said it.

  • Stalk👁

    He was being sacastic in regard to the complaints about the “vengeance” tropes.

  • Dee-abolik

    Daaaamn, happy belated B-day!

  • CoolHandJuke

    the spirit…

  • dice 😉

  • go back to ignoring me Slate.

    Ahhh those were the days.

  • Vape much ?

  • Slate upvoted you. What a surprise. Do you also vape ??

  • Like a certain duplicitous lying snakes upvoting habit. Obvious is right.

  • Slate_Fistcrunch

    LOL! Good one Razzpergers

  • Slate_Fistcrunch

    I know I should. Like everyone else when you post something @ the other place.

  • Stalk👁

    Had no idea you guys didn’t get along. *Straight face*
    But hey, we can’t all be friends since some of us can’t stand Phonyboy. (0=

  • There you are.

  • Slate_Fistcrunch

    It’s true. Everyone loves me!

  • Xiphos

    B Vs SM had its own set of issues make no mistake at least though they tried some new things in it.

  • Stalk👁

    Still not good enough. Characters were way out of context. Superman blasting some Terrorist for holding Lois hostage, Batman branding criminals, (Don’t mind him killing but branding??) Clark questioning Bats actions, yet he’s a cold blooded killer himself? Contradiction, much? And don’t get me started on Wrex Luthor. Soooo over the top Yeah, they tried new things but failed miserably!! At least you can empathize with the main characters unlike “M-M-M-Martha..” who told Supes; “he don’t owe anyone”. The ending was tacked on and as familiar as the “I want revenge trope” No catharsis whatsoever instead just a “Don’t miss Superman’s return in Justice League”!!

    Weak!

  • Dee-abolik

    uh-huh

  • Dee-abolik

    I know, just kidding!

  • Stalk👁

    Sowwies S, I just couldn’t resist! (0:<

  • Stalk👁

    Hmmm, perhaps you need to show this to Turok.
    Interesting OP.

  • Slate_Fistcrunch

    lol you can rant with the best of them brother. I’m not a fan of saying the characters were out of context. The film clearly has their own spin. Marvel changed quite a few things for Civil War. (Don’t forget Stark is adopted in the comics) Why is it okay for them to change vs DC?

  • Bop

    Ant-Man transforming into Giant-Man was my favorite part of the movie. I didn’t follow the news around CW much and I am glad I didn’t. It was such an awesome surprise to see that scene.
    As for fat Ginger… I am glad he wasn’t the Blob in the movie. Yes, there was no Blob planned at all and I am glad about that.

  • Bop

    Bloody hell, happy belated birthday bro,

  • Bop

    Might be the only movie in which I can stomach Pena. Rudd is really good.
    Heavy handed is not always necessary. 🙂

  • Bop

    I was a bit let down by the end, I have to say, because I really expected the super soldier battle.

  • Bop

    Tasky vs Avengers? Bring it on.

  • Sagamanus

    Loved it. Black Panther was great. Not so sure about all the hoopla surrounding Spider-Man though. Surprisingly Cap doesn’t get lost in his own movie considering how many characters they showed. This might be the rare instance when throwing so much into one blender worked.

  • Sagamanus

    One problem with these films is that Wanda and Widow never get dirt on them. It’s like Legolos all over again. This is just ridiculous. I know why they do it, it’s just stupid though.

  • Dee-abolik

    Legolos? The Mexican, non-union version of Legolas?

  • Sagamanus

    Dee please! I don’t know you’re weird Austrian spellings of works with endless unpronounceable words. I get points for even writing it. That’s how I see it.

  • Dee-abolik

    Anytime you mess up an Elven name, a Willard cries.

  • Sagamanus

    Liked Bucky in this one. But Crossbones was kind of a joke. I hope they bring him back and he gets blowed up good again.

  • Sagamanus

    Spider-man’s costume looked far better in this, though the colors were somewhat muted. Not as good as Panthers in any case.

  • Stalk👁

    Thanks, Bro-B!
    Much appreciated!!

  • Stalk👁

    I dont recall Tony Stark being an adopted child in the comics. That’s news to me!As for BvS, it strayed too far off the course and this is coming from one who really liked Man of Steel.
    It wasn’t what I had really hoped for. /:

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    “There’s word from a friend of a friend who works in the Movie industry, that it might actually happen.”

    Really? What did he say?

    Personally, I think there’s a strong chance Sony goes bust due to their forthcoming slate of terrible movies. Disrespectful garbage like the Ghostbusters reboot, and the horrible adaptation of Stephen King’s Dark Tower, won’t be the money-spinning IP starters they’re hoping for. After a succession of box office bombs, I believe they’ll put the Spider-Man rights up for sale to bail themselves out of the red.

  • If a Willard cries in the wilderness and no one hears it, does it make a sound?

  • nah, it’s just one dudes opinion at the end of the day. Turoks own opinion is equally valid no matter what. Sure I have a bit of fun pointing at what i see as flawed logic in others criticism of the film ( or any film for that matter ) , but it’s just for the sake of fun. Im not out to change peoples minds.

  • CoolHandJuke

    This series should end with showing Stark died in that middle East explosion and all the movies are the dream of a dying mind…

  • Xiphos

    yeah they’re funny book stories the ceiling is pretty low.

  • Stalk👁

    That would be a serious Mindfuck. I love the idea but too grim.
    Same scenario occurred in Black Ops 3 campaign mode.

  • CoolHandJuke

    How about just before he dies, he turns to the camera and says, “well, this calls for a sexy party”

  • Stalk👁

    TEST