Batman v Superman: Yawn of Justice Batman v Superman: Yawn of Justice
  I remember how excited I was upon learning of DCWB’s upcoming project that will pit their two iconic characters -Batman and Superman, up... Batman v Superman: Yawn of Justice

 

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I remember how excited I was upon learning of DCWB’s upcoming project that will pit their two iconic characters -Batman and Superman, up against one another. Of course the trailers sparked further interests. So now, here we are.

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In BvS, (or as I would refer to the film being: Man of Steel 2.5) Batman feeling very skeptical of Superman, goes on a personal vendetta to “Humble” the Kryptonian Savior once and for all but not without a little push from a Billionaire Mad Scientist. As the film starts off, we see that all too familiar scenario reintroducing the tragic event that will forever change young Bruce Wayne’s Life.

 

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After leaving the theater which i presume the Movie the Wayne’s had seen, was John Boorman’s (Excalibur according to the adjacent poster.) In typical Snyderesque fashion, we see both Thomas and Martha Wayne gunned down by a petty robber and in between are sequences of Bruce running from his decreased parents’ graves while the rest of the intro credits roll. Fast not so forward to yet, another tragic event- the battle of the Kryptonians within Metropolis as seen in Man of Steel.

I said no cheese on my Footlong, Jared! dont make me throw your ass back in Prison!

I said no cheese on my Footlong, Jared! dont make me throw your sorry ass back to Prison!

In a scene that mirrored real tragic events such as the September 11th attacks, Bruce witnesses the disaster personally as he tries to save those who were within the vicinity of a crumbling Wayne Industries building and is not too happy with Kal El taking residency on the planet earth since he holds him responsible for so many senseless casualties. (Since Bruce was in the midst of the crumbling debris, clouds of ash and smoke, would it mean that eventually, he will develop Cancer? Oh wait he can’t, he’s effing Batman!)

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What further drives the wheels in motion is how many look upon him as this savior who can turn on Mankind just as easily as protecting them. Bruce’s skepticism is reinforced from a nightmare that pays homage to the Videogame Injustice: Gods among us. Ok now that I got most of the premise out of the way here’s what I liked and disliked about BvS:

The DC Trinity shot of course!

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The first half of the film’s pacing was dull to the extent of me checking my watch due to dragging story and slow buildup. There nice breaks in the middle like Batman taking down Human Traffickers and branding one of the head baddies (With a hot Batarang) as if making him his Bitch.

 

Bruce looking at what seems to be Jason Todd’s uniform with the words “The jokes on you Batman” tagged on the Robin costume. Of course this eludes to Jason being killed by the Joker.

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There’s a decent amount of fan service to be had which ranges from the Batmobile lifted from the Arkham Knight Videogame, Wayne’s gutted Mansion caused by Ras a Ghul in Batman Begins to a few shots referenced from the excellent Dark Knight Returns comic. The fight between Superman and an armored Batman in particular.

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Although there were a few Easter eggs thrown about, some could have been fleshed out even more, especially when it came to the upcoming roster of the Justice League.  Fans of Jason Momoa will be disappointed to learn that he appears for only 3 seconds and I’m still not totally convinced of him being cast as Aquaman. If I had my way, I would have gone with Liam McIntyre of Spartacus Vengeance.

 

Speaking of casting I have to mention that my skepticism of Jesse Eisenberg for Lex Luthor was not unfounded.  He didn’t deliver a poor performance actually he was quite good but not as Luthor! His character came off too douchey which Luthor is not and if you ask me, Eisenberg would make for a great Riddler. He wasn’t up to par as say Vincent D’Onofrio’s Wilson Fisk in Netflix’s Daredevil.

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Gal Gadot’s role as Wonder Woman was more of a cameo but she wasn’t as bad I originally thought when laying my eyes on that promotional poster. The audience cheered for her the most and the Lady can hold her own against the likes of the resurrected General Zod now transformed into Doomsday. just think of a hybrid of the Hulk and X-Men’s Cyclops with a very bad temper and you’ll get the idea.

 

One would think Doomsday would have a modicum of intelligence since he is fused with Luthor’s , “Magic Blood”. It was good to see Jeremy Irons as Alfred Pennyworth and the fact that he’s a Gearhead and a smartass makes him cooler instead of Michael Caine’s melodramatic version.

 

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Now for the Meat of the Potatoes – Ben Affleck or as many would refer to him as Batfleck. Ben kicked ass literally as the Dark Knight!  He got the right voice for Batman, agility, fighting prowess and when you add the fucking cape and cowl, Affleck in my opinion is the best Batman thus far! Keaton and Bale, kindly step aside there’s a new Caped Crusader in town and he’s not taking any prisoners!  For those who bitched about “Neck snapping Supes” Batman’s methods of taking down the baddies are much worse. Machine gunning, throwing some guys into a live grenade and setting some dude on fire demonstrates that Bats does not play nice at all. This isn’t your BIFF! POW! ZAM! Batman nosiree. He’s a fucking Beast!

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While Henry Cavil does an adequate job as the Man of Steel, he was the weakest link of DC’s Triumvirate to the extent that I wasn’t too excited when he and Batfleck finally came to blows. Amy Adams as much as she tries is not really a convincing Lois Lane aesthetically speaking.

 

I can’t help but laugh at the familiar method of “shoehorning” a villain at the last minute i.e. Venom in Spiderman 3 or Two Face from the Dark Knight and there’s a trope first witnessed from The Wrath of Khan and X2 afterwards when one of the major characters perform a noble sacrifice followed by another trope towards the very end. But to be fair, said scene was somewhat based on one of the most controversial stories in Comicdom.

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Yup, there were an abundance of rehashed ideas thrown about, especially if you’re familiar with some of the more prolific issues. but with that being said, BvS still has more originality and depth than The Force Awakens and with the film venturing toward dark territory, you can’t expect any “cabin scenes”. To be honest BvS if not weighed down by a dismal 1st act, pompous Luthor theme, 8 second archived photos of Wonder Woman, one too many dream sequences and Eisenberg’s weak casting, it would have fared much better.  As it is, its passable but barely.

Hopefully, the Justice League film will fare much better, but if Zac and his wife Deborah Snyder continues to go down this semi uninspired path with problematic pacing, it’s not worth the hype or the wait.

I hear George Miller is still available.

 

In the meantime, “Captain, you’re up”.

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Writer, Satirist, Gamer, Artist and Pop Culture commentator- Stalks offers his outspoken views on most things Geek related as well as WTF is wrong with the world today!

  • Dee

    I knew this movie would be divisive. Good work, Stalks!

  • Dee

    Robin only works when he’s dead.

  • I must use my powers for good and delete this article. =P

  • Dee

    you gotta write something too

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    BVS is divisive but doesn’t deserve its bad press. As Stalks pointed out, it certainly contains more depth and originality than TFA, and if the latter pile of shit can garner hyperbolic praise across the board then BVS in no way deserves its critical drubbing. I’m pleased to see it doing well at the box office in defiance of the dickhead, Borg-like critics.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    This is only a mildly negative critique. If you want to read a really scathing one, Creepy’s blog review is the ticket.

  • CoolHandJuke

    this is far from a perfect movie, but if the goal was to fast track a justice league flick, i think it accomplishes that. Affleck is a great Batman and Irons stole every scene he was in. i didn’t mind Lex as much as i thought i would, plus there was a jar of piss involved! the only Marvel movie i’ve watch multiple times is Guardians of the Galaxy, and i can definitely see myself watching this just as many times. also, super psyched for the R cut just to see what that entails…

  • KilliK

    yeah, it’s breaking records right now. if it has legs, it ll reach $1b with no sweat.

  • KilliK
  • KilliK

    AsimovLives posted that he loved the movie in his FB, btw.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Yeah, I read it. I don’t agree with all his points and he reaches with his philosophical/political theories at times but, as usual, his ranting is hilarious.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    It’ll definitely reach a billion. No question about it. Snyder should be thanking his lucky stars. His immediate employment and the future of the DCEU is secure, although it was a close call for a while there.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    He would! If Nolan wasn’t involved, however slight that involvement now is (the producer did mention that Nolan advocated Affleck’s casting), he’d be bashing the movie. Same deal with MOS. And Asi knows nothing about comics: he thought that Nolan’s DK trilogy rescued us from the Silver Age Batman, after all!

    I wonder if he’s forgotten his assertions about MOS’s death toll, too? Hehehe. 😉

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    “also, super psyched for the R cut just to see what that entails…”

    Batman doing a victorious Cleveland steamer on Supes’s chest after he beats him to the ground. Right up your alley!

  • Captain Genius

    why the fuck is robins outfit black? fucking tapdancing shitholes. this entire time i thought it was a batman costume. geez, red and green, simple iconic color scheme gets the idea across instantly. fuck these grim joyless idiots.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Could be Nightwing’s costume rather than “Robin’s”. Or perhaps Snyder simply shares Bryan Singer’s fetish for black leather.

  • Captain Genius

    the biggest problems are the batman gloves and the fins coming off them. that’s a batman thing, and the yellow robin symbol is covered by yellow spray paint. shit design choices.

  • Jack Randomm

    Good one, Stalks!

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    What yellow Robin symbol? I can’t see that anywhere.

    Admittedly, large portions of this film are nothing but a guessing game, especially the dreams/flashbacks/forwards and visions. Even hardcore fans can’t agree on what these scenes are supposed to infer, so I dread to think what the general audiences thought. I even spotted a theory that the demonic creature which jumps out of the crypt in Batman’s nightmare was supposed to be Man-Bat. Who the hell knows?

  • Captain Genius

    the R is in between the A H on the left breast. our right of the image.

  • CoolHandJuke

    was hoping more for a wonder woman / jimmy olson’s sister lesbo scene, but i’ll takes what i can getz…

  • Very entertaining as always, but wrong nonetheless.

  • You’re actually kinder to it than I expected. I’ll still try to come up with something for my own review, but I’m super tight on availability these days, so we’ll see.

  • I’ll be seeing this tomorrow.

  • Stalkeye

    My title may come off as a little misleading however, its the pacing and lame casting choices that brings BvS down a few notches.
    I’m looking forward to your counter argument whenever possible. (0=

  • Stalkeye

    Thanks Cap’n Jack! I can only imagine what you and the others have to say.

  • Stalkeye
  • Stalkeye

    Hahahaha. He took it to a whole new level and mustve pissed someone off real good. “Canadian Faggot”? Dayum!

  • Stalkeye

    Thanks, Bro,
    After seeing this the other day, I just had to write something from my perspective.

  • I’ll be seeing this… sometime.

  • No i haven’t. How could I if I haven’t seen it yet?

  • Once upon a time a movie would be divisive because of it’s political or artistic content. Nowadays a movie is divisive if Superman has the wrong hue of his suit or if he wears his shorts over or under his pants.
    *sigh*

  • I know nothing about comics? Hyperbole much?
    And comics need to be rescued from the Silver Age, aka, the time they become childish and super-formulaic. This should be a no-brainer for comic fans.

  • Captain Genius

    silver age comics are fucking fun as hell and super creative. a good chunk of the superheroes on tv and in the movies were created in the silver age.

  • Stalkeye

    Well, he should wear the shorts over his tights.
    Nowadays people think its silly for a superhero to sport trunks but long underwear looks like a fetish gimp suit. XD

  • KilliK

    ASI!! are you going to go watch it at the cinema?

  • KilliK

    maybe a gangbang rape of Lois Lane with those african terrorists. Alan Moore would approve.

  • KilliK

    LOL! haha. thanks for that, mate.

  • KilliK

    The grid..a digital frontier…wait wrong movie.
    (sorry listening to the great T:L ost)

  • I got my tickets for tomorrow night I won’t read anything above till then

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Thanks for proving my point. The Silver Age was, in fact, the time comics became more complex, less formulaic, and when they started to address real world social issues and character dilemmas – particularly on the Marvel side of things. To dismiss such an important era – perhaps THE most important era for the genre – as childish garbage is pure ignorance.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Asimov hasn’t a clue what he’s talking about here.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    No, BvS is divisive – among other reasons – precisely because of its controversial treatment of the titular characters and the philosophies it embodies. Read Creepy’s review for more detail.

    Come back when you’ve seen the film and then you can give us a valid opinion, instead of superficial condescension.

  • Stalkeye

    Can’t say i blame you. Although there are mild spoilers in my review, it can still ruin the experience when walking in the theater and seeing it for the first time.

  • Toruk_Makto

    I can’t co-sign supes and bats killing. That will never happen.

    But Afleck’s Bat in terms of costume, fighting ability and detective skills is definitely the closest Batman so far. Kudos to the chin for delivering there.

    If wonder-woman fights like she did in this movie I’ll be looking forward to her solo flick.

  • Toruk_Makto

    I heard one of them wags his pee-pee at Superman when he shows up.
    Needless to say heat-vision was soon used thereafter.

  • Toruk_Makto

    Definitely better than TFA.
    But then again most colonoscopy’s are better than TFA.

  • Stalkeye
  • He also used a pistol back then as well.

  • From the trailer preview that was released a month ago, it seems she will.

  • Errr…. is what you call the Silver Age the same Silver Age that actually existed in reality? Because there seem to be some dissonance here.

  • Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

  • Damning with faint praise.

  • Superficial condensation?

  • Stalkeye

    Yup and for those who complained about Batfleck gunning down a few thugs in the movie need to look at this !!
    http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/0/9/8/153098_v3.jpg

  • Right.
    This is what confuses me the most about the traditionalists who love their Batman with the no killing ethos and yet praise Tim Burton’s take on the character, who often used lethal force against even minor opponents.
    I’m starting to think the people who are debating this characters just throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks.
    Batman has had so many incarnations already that’s absurd to say what’s the only real version of the character. By now all there is is preferences. It would be nice if people realized this. There is no longer a definitive Batman but the one you prefer.

  • Well, black is better stealth at nighttime, when Bat and his Boy wonder usually operated. It’s the red and yellow colored suit that actually looks odd for a night crime-fighter.

    Besides, i never understood why Batman’s sidekick would be themed after an adorable daytime bird.

    http://www.vivaboo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/robin-bird-spring-9.jpg

    Besides, Bats and Birds aren’t even related! Bats are mammals! And there are other predatory night bird creatures which would create a more scary imagery then the adorable robin! i mean, the reason Batman choose the bat imagery was because those are creatures that instill demonic imagery and fear of the dark in the traditional imagery associated with them. But i guess there must be some brilliant deep sophisticated answer from the Silver Age the time when comics reached the height of their sophistication!!

  • Phillyflopper

    I want that Batwing to be in film because reasons. Imagine a 1940s Batman? It would almost assuredly never get greenlit. But it could be weirdly interesting.

  • Phillyflopper

    But, but they didn’t have the character worked out before. This has been disavowed. Facts are only facts if you remember them! xD

  • Phillyflopper

    *cries* “I…I thought those were finger foods!” xD

  • Phillyflopper

    I’ll be seeing this when I get free access.

  • And then made better in subsequent incarnations.

  • Stalkeye

    I know. But still, the fucker killed! (;’
    This isn’t the ol skool Batman, its a new deal.

  • Stalkeye

    It seems that many had forgotten about “Burtman”, throwing the Big Black Henchman down 20 stories at the bell tower, setting a Dude on fire and putting a bomb in the Circus strongman’s shorts. XD

  • Captain Genius

    silver age is best age

  • Captain Genius

    also, those films are utter shit

  • Captain Genius

    also robin is a golden age creation

  • From wikipedia:

    “The Silver Age of Comic Books was a period of artistic advancement and commercial success in mainstream American comic books, predominantly those in the superhero genre […].

    […] The popularity and circulation of comic books about superheroes declined following World War II, and comic books about horror, crime and romance took larger shares of the market. However, controversy arose over alleged links between comic books and juvenile delinquency, focusing in particular on crime and horror titles. In 1954, publishers implemented the Comics Code Authority to regulate comic content. In the wake of these changes, publishers began introducing superhero stories again, a change that began with the introduction of a new version of DC Comics’ The Flash in Showcase #4 […]

    […] In subsequent years comics were blamed for a rise in juvenile crime statistics, although this rise was shown to be in direct proportion to population growth.[citation needed] When juvenile offenders admitted to reading comics, it was seized on as a common denominator;[3] one notable critic was Fredric Wertham, author of the book Seduction of the Innocent (1954),[3] who attempted to shift the blame for juvenile delinquency from the parents of the children to the comic books they read. The result was a decline in the comics industry.[3] To address public concerns, in 1954 the Comics Code Authority was created to regulate and curb violence in comics, marking the start of a new era […].

    […] Historian Will Jacobs suggests the Silver Age ended in April 1970 when the man who had started it, Julius Schwartz, handed over Green Lantern — starring one of the first revived heroes of the era — to the new-guard team of Denny O’Neil and Neal Adams in response to reduced sales.[34] John Strausbaugh also connects the end of the Silver Age to Green Lantern. He observes that in 1960, the character embodied the can-do optimism of the era.[4] However, by 1972 Green Lantern had become world weary; “Those days are gone – gone forever – the days I was confident, certain … I was so young … so sure I couldn’t make a mistake! Young and cocky, that was Green Lantern. Well, I’ve changed. I’m older now … maybe wiser, too … and a lot less happy.”[4] Strausbaugh writes that the Silver Age “went out with that whimper.”
    Comics scholar Arnold T. Blumberg places the end of the Silver Age in June 1973, when Gwen Stacy, girlfriend of Peter Parker (Spider-Man) was killed in a story arc later dubbed “The Night Gwen Stacy Died”, saying the era of “innocence” was ended by “the ‘snap’ heard round the comic book world — the startling, sickening snap of bone that heralded the death of Gwen Stacy.” […]
    An important feature of the period was the Development of the character makeup of superheroes. Young children and girls were targeted during the Silver Age by certain publishers […]”

    The whole article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Age_of_Comic_Books#History

    It’s a very leveled and balanced article.
    What i’m always critical of the Silver Age is the bloody naivité and child oriented type of stories they produced, often with plots full of deus ex machinas (Superman is a particular offender) and where superheros had powers when the plot demanded (superman is a particular offender), with the obvious factor that commercial sales ALONE dictated the way characters were taken, often contradictory from story to story. and the hyper-moralization of said comics, a consequence of the heavy overview they were subjected by the moral guardians of the time. That produced this imposed white and black morality that as an adult i can’t just accept. It’s one thing to have a character who has precisely defined moral codes (Superman, Captain America) it’s another for the whole thing being nothing but mere black and white. I’m not a child, and that type of simplistic deux ex machinas driven and moralistic heavy stories is not something an adult should accept unquestionably.
    I understand their appeal, but there is so far an adult should take their enjoyment of that type of style of comics without risking looking like a naive man-child. There is so much nostalgia should guide our interests and ideals, past that it’s madness. To enjoy the Silver Age comics but not address and recognize the fact they were founded on imposed moralistic constrictions which made stories suffer as a result is naive at best, denial at worst.

  • Captain Genius

    that’s debatable

  • Well, unless you consider character development, moral ambiguity, tackling social issues of the day, realistic personalities and exploring the logical limits of the characters, their powers, their mental make-up and the world they are in and shaped by their existence a bad thing, you know. Me, i’m happy that’s how comics evolved into, instead of a perpetual stagnation in happiland.

  • Yes, created in 1940 top bring in the youth demographic and an attempt to tone down the initial darkness and “almost” adult tone that Batman as a violent crime crusader has at the time. The character’s introduction could be seen as belonging to the transitional period into the emergence of the Silver Age.

  • Yes, if you like comics naive an simple. I understand the appeal, i really do, but enjoy them as an adult, nah!

  • I say one thing about Luke: Being an hermit in a deserted planet living in an island in the middle of an ocean did nothing to prevent him from having a very good grooming program. Vidal Samsoon, eat your heart out!

  • Captain Genius

    that shit was fine in the bronze age, but now it’s ruining comics.

  • Phillyflopper

    Perhaps it was all the bird feces on the rocks? xD

  • Disavowed by whom? Fanboys who think they own the character and he’s only true to their own particular preference?

  • Captain Genius

    i enjoy them more the older i’ve gotten.

  • Ah yeah, the fat rapper wearing sunglasses at night who beat the shit out of Batman! How could i ever forget that iconic moment in Batman history?

  • Phillyflopper

    Exactly, that was my point. As much as I love Batman, if they want to make him out to be simply violent and insane, I’m all for it. I really don’t care as long as I’m entertained. But this movie, I’m staying the hell away from it unless either a free ticket falls into my possession somehow, or this pops up on Netflix or something.

  • They, the Tim Burton Batmovies, they are what they are, an attempt to create a darker version of the character, somewhat based on a bit of the take of Frank Miler (before he went insane) but afraid to completely let go of the more clown-arsery aspects of the character that were ingrained in the public consciousness thanks to the campy TV show of the 60s.

  • Bird guano does wonders for your hair.

  • Toruk_Makto

    It’s not that confusing.

    When one speaks of definitive elements of a character you should imagine a large sculpture that many artists have worked on . That has taken many, many years to render.

    -early homer simpson

    http://images.uncyc.org/commons/1/13/First-appearance-of-homer-simpson.jpg

    – “definitive” homer simpson

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-0N8x3RpTZs/maxresdefault.jpg

    It is not the max-elements or the min-elements that persevere but the mean elements.

    These mean elements are decided as much by the public over the years as they are by artists who work on these sculptures until a
    general consensus

    http://www.wikihow.com/Draw-Homer-Simpson

    regarding the character/sculpture has been reached.

    There have been many variations of almost every character as artists are apt to try new things. But the majority of them, usually those farther out from the mean are eventually abandoned and the character once again returns back to the core.

    It’s just the way it goes with properties like these. The process is practically communal.

    What is definitive?

    Those properties which have endured the longest, of course.
    Time renders such properties…as defining.

  • Errr…. they do have a name for that you know: it’s called Harry Knowles Syndrome.

  • Captain Genius

    cruel

  • Well, like the proverbial penis, with’s what you do with it that counts. You could be John Holmes but if you are not good with it, all you achieve is a mess! But the best of the following eras, when used properly, was pure Casanova.

  • I’m in no hurry to watch a new comic book movie. Real life is intervening and i have other priorities for my time and disposition. I’l eventually watch the movie out of curiosity… eventually, don’t know when, don’t know where.

  • Captain Genius

    new rebirth superman has blue boots now. he looks even stranger

  • Captain Genius

    also: go fuck yourself

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    It is. Maybe you’re confused because the (very) early Batman and Superman had looser moral codes, but that’s a common misconception. On the whole, the Golden Age heroes were robotic stock characters and possessed no flaws, as well as being used as propaganda tools. The world they inhabited was pure Norman Rockwell Americana. Even Batman’s urban crime melieu abided by these tenets, with the law and authority figures always in the right.

    The Silver Age was when heroes actually started to have doubts and internal conflicts and could have antagonistic relations with each other. More radical science fiction ideas were introduced rather than generic vigilante good guy triumphs over bad guy formula plots. And the comics began to reflect the real world (ie. Iron Man’s origins in Vietnam; Captain America’s rebirth among the social upheavals of the sixties; anxiety over nuclear weapons), which they had previously ignored unless it was in the employ of the aforementioned WW2 propaganda.

  • Stalkeye

    Ugggh!

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    You’ve made a sweeping generalization, just as you do with eighties cinema, based on the simplistic fact that a Comics Code censorship was imposed by “moral” guardians. You make the mistake that the prohibition of certain story aspects has anything to do with the internal characterization and content of a story itself. The early comics had little restrictions, but morally they were presented in purely black and white terms. The Silver Age comics had to work within an overall code, but people like Stan Lee creatively reinvented the archetypes and made them more complex and grounded. Everything people know of superheroes today derives mainly from the Silver Age.

    Ask yourself who is the more ambiguous anti-hero: The Incredible Hulk or Golden Age Batman?

    Who is the more flawed, realistic character: Golden Age Superman or Silver Age Spider-Man?

    And a word of advice: don’t copy and paste large chunks of Wikipedia articles as your own, or as backup for your own thoughts. I’m not going to read them. Come to your own, independent conclusions.

  • Stalkeye

    It’s the Schumacher Movies that were really shit. Burton’s interpretation had some good things and some very, very ridiculous like the Penguin Pallbearers and the “Duck” scanner. At least Nolan tried to make the franchise more grounded. But still Dark Knight rises sucked!

  • Captain Genius

    never saw the last dark knight film.

  • Stalkeye

    You need to see it just to complete the trilogy and decide if it was any good in your opinion. It provides some catharsis despite the film’s flaws.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    No, they aren’t my “favorite” opinions, just the RIGHT opinions. And you have a track record of displaying judgmental prejudices which you then try to backwards-rationalize.

    “What are you taking me for, a JJ Abrams fanboy?”

    Dude, when it comes to certain subjects there seems to be little difference between you and the unreasonable JJ zealots. It’s very worrying. Don’t be like them; employ objective reason and don’t approach things with a built-in bias.

  • Stalkeye

    A few People I know, clowned that scene. “What the fuck is Luke just happen to be standing there for while looking into the sky”?

  • Captain Genius

    i already know i’m not a fan, I liked Begins and hated all the batman parts of the second film. as a cops vs joker film i loved it. batman ruined that movie. i just can’t find myself giving a fuck about batman at all. he’s become the avatar of the worst of comic fandom. saying you like batman is like a sports douchebag wearing a Jordan jersey in the 90’s.

  • Stalkeye

    ??????

  • Captain Genius

    he was taking a force piss of the cliff when she came

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Eh? Are you feeling all right or have you been partaking of dubious substances? That might explain matters!

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    No, it’s firmly part of the Golden Age, as were all “kid” sidekicks. You can’t pick and choose. The “killer” Batman only existed for a few years.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Snyder was referencing Frank Miller, not the Golden Age comics. I doubt he’s even read them.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Exactly. To throw one’s hands in the air and claim it’s all relative, that nobody is right or wrong, is a cop out. Time has etched out the defining qualities of these characters.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    I don’t think anybody’s forgotten about those. Just that a few violations of the character’s principles are not comparable to the outright contempt Snyder showed for them.

    Still: I don’t have a problem with Snyder’s violent Batman, as Batman’s attitude was somewhat justified by his past history and his role in the story. Snyder’s Superman, however, is an abomination. Superman never explicitly killed in any era, and there’s no reason for Snyderman to act as recklessly as he does, especially after the events of MOS.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Batman Returns is awesome, dude.

  • Captain Genius

    no

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    I’d rather sit through Batman and Robin again than TFA.

  • Bop

    What the fuck is Carrot Top doing in BvS?

  • Bop

    Doomsday looks lame. Reminds me of that Alien 4 crossbreed.

  • Bop

    The chin? LMAO.

  • KilliK

    man, I am having right now a fierce debate with a Nolanoid in a greek forum. The guy is angry because I claimed that Batfleck is the best Batman ever. He calls him a stone cold killer, that he doesnt use any gadgets, that his vehicles are equipped only with guns, that his fights are weak, that his Alfred sucks, while praising Nolan-Batman.

    the funny thing is that we had such quarrels before when I was trashing Bat-Nolan, and at some point I told him when they cast Affleck in the movie, that he will turn out being the most badass Batman and here we are proved to be right. hehe. love it. I just love when fanboys lose it.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    It’s great. I can see why Batman purists hate it, but as a bizarre dark fantasy film it’s really good.

  • KilliK

    btw, Asi, when I told you that someday we ll get a badass Batman, way better than the pussy Nolan-Batman?. well, mate, that happened with Batfleck. He is right now the best, most badass, coolest Batman in movie history. FACT!

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Affleck’s fights are weak? Nolan’s fights were damn near incomprehensible! Even his biggest supporters usually admit that.

    The guy you’ve been arguing with seems to be an outlier: people are really turning on the Bale Batman now, and even Bale himself doesn’t think he did a particularly good job in the role.

  • KilliK

    hey, I like BF. in a campy, funny way. and I think Kilmer did ok.

  • KilliK

    amen. Batfleck owns.

  • Dominique Sings

    That’s…cold!

  • Captain Genius

    some times burton loses me, he lost me on this one

  • KilliK

    um, Robin was introduced in the golden age of the comics. there was no “transitional period”.

  • CoolHandJuke

    has there been any superhero movie that explains what happens to a toad when it gets struck by lightening?

  • Orcus

    Orcus never understood why she handed a weapon business end first. Luke was giving her that “Jedi please” look for that

  • I think that would be brilliant. An exercise in diesel-punk, as it would be thanks to the time frame and the tech he would had to have.

  • Friends in the black market

  • And yet, a person who i trust a lot with his opinions said that Affleck’s i9nterpretation is like a new paintjob on Nolan’s take of the character.
    So, basically, you are reaching at any straws you can find to diminish the Nolan’s take because for some reason you decided that Nolan is worth of your scorn because you imagine there is some fantasy competition between him and James Cameron. Is it that hard to accept the fact that we should be blessed that many great directors are doing geek friendly movies instead of playing favorites? Cameron is great, Nolan is great, many other directors are great and a shotload of bad are out there who are deserving of our scorn instead of the good ones. You are on the right track with JJ Abrams, keep in that track, that’s where hack and bad cinema lies, ot with Nolan. Your beloved Cameron is not diminished just because Nolan is good too. Be grateful both exists, especially in this era of Abrams.

  • Time has not been kind. I used to be very supportive of that movie. Used to.

  • Burton lost me with fucking Big Fish. I can’t stand his movies anymore. Pity, because i used to love Edward Sissorhands.

  • You never offer others a knife blade first, that’s basic etiquette.

  • He’s a bird watcher.

  • Captain Genius

    i’ve never seen scissorhands

    i suck

  • Captain Genius

    if they get hit by chemicals at the same time they become the flash

  • I’ll see this when i can be bothered to. I really have a dislike for Superheroes Vs Superheroes premises. What, the villains are not enough trouble as it is?

  • No,it all happened instantly falling from the sky!! Really, all this shit just happens immediately, as if done by god himself. Because God wills it!

  • Flattery will take you nowhere.

  • I i can be bothered to, which i doubt, given how my life is at the moment. Let me put it this way, real life makes me find all this comic book stuff to be… expendable. I make an exception to the Daredevil Tv show because that thing was so re-freshly dark and intense and so damn smart and good. Pajama Boy Vs Batfreak is the least of my concerns right now.

  • They are your favorite preferences and you better admit it. ther eis no longer a proper Superman or Batman anymore, given how many incarnations they had. You have one preference, others have other preferences. The only true issue should be one and one only: how well those interpretations are made. and that’s all that makes the difference, nothing else.

  • This is why i am so glad i’m not a purist about comics the same way i’m not a fanboy about SW. I’m so damn glad!

  • I think the movie is a bit obscure this days thanks to Burton’s more high profile movies. So don’t beat yourself hard about that.

    But if the movie is still half as good as i remember, then you are for a treat. It’s Burton at his purest, when he was still a bit of a pure soul before he was sucked up by the studios to be their trained goth monkey. The movie as a true heart, it manages to be both sweet and innocent while also pretty darkly in regard to human nature. It’s both naive and dark. And the last scene is a real tear jerker, much thanks to Danny Elfman’s brilliant score, back in the day when he actually made good scores.

  • Orcus

    Basic safety too

  • Why you find that hard to believe? I think the casting of Affleck was inspired. Affleck has suffered from an unjust public bashing, but he is a properly talented actor, and an even better director. I can’t wait to see a Affleck starred and directed Batman movie.

  • Fun fact: Nolan championed the casting of Affleck as Batman. Yeah!

  • Yeah, both etiquette and safety, best of both worlds.

  • Those lettuces don’t water themselves, do they?

  • Aaaaaaaaahh aaaahhhhhhhh, savior of all of us…..

  • “Beating the shit out of sex traffickers and child molesters is not cool . Stop that or else i’ll kill you ”

    -Superman ( more or less )

  • Supposedly, like everybody else. Something like that, i wasn’t paying attention in superhero mutant classes.

  • Oh the irony!

  • Imagine if you will a new superhero, the PC Punisher, a highly trained ex-military in all types of light weapons with skills in snipping who would inflict zero tolerance and deadly force on all those who would violate his unbreakable PC morals however minor the offence.

  • KilliK

    Ι read somewhere that he was the one who suggested him to Snyder. I dont know if it’s true, but if it is I am grateful he did it.

  • KilliK

    actually that shit does happen immediately. this is not some epic movie in the making that took years to make. one issue Batman is fighting crime alone, the next issue he has a sidekick. that fast.

  • I’m talking about the transition between gold and silver age, man! C’mon! Sidekick Robin helped herald the future emergence of Silver Age, among other things. This things don’t happen immediatly.

  • KilliK

    yeah, the DD season 2 is great. they finally nailed Punsiher but not so much Elektra. I suggest you go watch the movie just for the giggles while cannibalizing it. it will be a 2h escape from the shit you are going through in your life now. who knows, maybe you ll like it and want to write a review about it. anyway.

  • But it existed and that’s how he began. So, if you want a “true” Batman, in the sense of how he was created, that’s him.
    But me, i say with conviction there ar eno longer any true Batmans or Supermans, just various interpretations and favorites. Hell, the fact Batman started killing hoodlums and that changed just proves it. The goddam Batman is whatever the creators and artists want him to be, and it’s all just a case if we accept it or not, that’s all.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    The Punisher has always been a stone-cold killer; it’s the raison d’etre of that character. Doesn’t bear any comparison to Batman.

    You can’t have a Punisher that doesn’t kill. It’s paradoxical. You CAN have a Batman that doesn’t kill.

  • I don’t believe in entertainment as escapism, i believe in entertainment as catharsis.

  • KilliK

    jesus h christ, what the fuck has James Cameron to do with this all this? first of all, there cant be a competition between Jim and Nolan either way, because Nolan is nothing more than a pimple in Jimbo’s right testicle. So I am not afraid of Nolan, the only thing that scares me is when his movies are borefests.

    Secondly, thank god no, Batfleck has nothing with Nolan’s pussified Batman. I like Nolan’s first two Bat flicks but his Batman has always been a very weak iteration of the comic hero. I have told you that numerous times. I thank Nolan for reinvigorating the superhero genre and saving Batman from movie oblivion, but now it’s time for Affleck to own the character both as an actor and as a director. I suggest you go and watch the movie, I think you ll like his take on the character.

    and as for JJ, fuck that asshole and his ilk.

  • KilliK

    did you find catharsis in DD?

  • KilliK

    but Robin happened before the silver age. Silver age officially started when the Comic Code was introduced as law. before that, there was no reason for them to introduce sidekicks except for helping the diminishing sales during golden age which is what happened in reality.

  • PC Punisher would kill those who are not PC.
    You can have a Batman that kills and one that doesn’t. there’s precedent for both. You can’t have a Punisher that doesn’t kill because there has been no precedence at all for that.
    Characters today are far more codified in their characterization, even with deviations. there are expectations nowadays. But some characters, especially the more recent ones, have had only one version of them (save for some minor deviations in how mental stable or not they are, given each artist), while older characters like Batman and Superman have a more wide variety of precedence because, simply put, those characters were works in progress for a good chunk of their existence.
    This is why it’s so legitimate to do so many variations of Superman (including Commie or British or Nazi Superman), but not on Punisher.

  • Cameron is called for the same reason you called Nolan on this, because you are constantly putting Cameron in a competition with any other successful and talented director out there, as if cinema is a western town that allows only one Sheriff. The day you realize that is not the case and you can enjoy other great movies by other great directors who are not Cameron, that they are not a competition to him nor overshadowing him, the better. Stop this obsession and start enjoying other great movies like The Dark Knight for what a great movie it is, instead of it or inception being a competition to your beloved Avatar. I have been wanting to say this for quite some time, and this was the last drop and just opened the flood gates, this was as good an opportunity as any other. Appreciate the fact we have both Cameron and Nolan in this era of Abrams, instead of inventing competition and hostility among them of your own creation. Nolan is a great director, The Dark knight and Inception and Interstellar arr great movies and in no way that diminishes in any way Cameron and Avatar, and the sooner you understand that the better.

    and for fuck’s sakes, don’t call him Jim, that’s disrespectful! You are his fan, not his personal friend, you didn’t went to school with him, you are not one of his family members or acquaintances. For you and me he is James Cameron, Mr Cameron or at the most familiar, Cameron and that’s it. anything more familiar that that is utter disrespet. Why the hell you think i often call JJ Abrams by his first name Jeffrey? Because i’m his fucking fan?

  • so you actually believe there was an immediate change of paradigm? Really? History happening in bounds and leaps?

  • Yeah, some measure of it

  • Next step: Inception and Interstellar are great movies. And now he’s going to make a WWII movie about Dunkirk.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    The versions you describe are embryonic forms of the characters, not Superman and Batman as we understand them today in any form. It’s no different from an author writing a first draft of a novel. The characters evolved. Their backgrounds and mythologies, elements commonly associate with them today, weren’t even fully fleshed out until the Silver Age. So you can hardly claim a “purist” view by purporting an aspect you favor as being correct just because it appeared “first”, and then contradictorily mix and match that with aspects from a different period that you would also recognize as being essential to the character(s).

    You can have variations on a character, but the core essences of those characters have been defined over time and are inviolable. It doesn’t matter what appeared first. You seem to be arguing that there are no core traits to Superman and Batman and they can just be anything a writer wants them to be. Well, suppose I wrote a Superman comic where Superman was a homicidal maniac from Mars, sporting red and green pajamas and hopping rather than flying. Would that be accepted? I don’t think so. There must be some aspects of the characters that define who they are. It’s not all up for grabs.

  • KilliK

    no, they are mediocre. But I have a feeling his WW2 movie will be his best work yet and I am genuinely looking forward to it.

  • It keeps breaking records :

    ‘Batman v Superman’ Sets Record With Worst Friday-Sunday Drop For A Superhero Pic

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/03/28/batman-v-superman-sets-record-with-worst-friday-sunday-drop-for-superhero-pics/#5a1154766d72

    And it did not do $170 million domestic. It did $166.Pushing it behind Harry Potter, into seventh place for domestic openings.

    Presales saved it. The people had already bought the tickets. And opening as big as they did. Especially in China where films usually open a few weeks later. So it still has the 4th biggest worldwide opening. But had it not opened in China ( making $57 million there) it would have been relegated to 12th place behind Spiderman 3 and Ironman 3 as far as worldwide openings.

    So they made $420 million worldwide. Minus the $250 production budget ( rumored to more ) minus $150-200 million for marketing etc
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/200-million-rising-hollywood-struggles-721818

    And this movie has made WB a cool MINUS $10 million so far.

    And if this movie drops off next week as steeply as the predictions now say. WB , and DC are royally screwed. Because as we all know from the MichaelBay/Zack Snyder school of filmmaking , it’s the box-office that matters.

    Or, I’m just a paid Disney employee , and I’m making all this shit up. In which case, all the fans of the DC cinematic universe can sleep easy knowing Zack Snyder is hard at work making Justice League Part 1.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Commie, British or Nazi Supermen are NOT legitimate – unless it’s specifically in the context of an alternate universe story (like Superman: Red Son). But for the mainstream character? No way. I explain this below.

    Snyder’s interpretation of Superman is invalid because no version of Superman, even the Golden Age one, explicitly killed. Golden Age Superman was rougher, and it could be inferred that his rough treatments caused injuries, but no fatalities were directly shown on the panels themselves, unlike the early Batman.

  • KilliK

    the Comic Authority Code was a historical event for the comics, which was enforced suddenly and abruptly. it was not something which progressively happened. And it’s an event which marks the beginning of Silver Age because it shaped it at some degree until its final abrogation.

    The introduction of the superhero sidekicks was not a consequence or a precursor of the Silver age. it was the reaction of the publishers to the decreasing sales of their printed comics during the Golden age, that’s all.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Fuck’s sake! Movies aren’t designed to be your personal psychiatrists. Watch them for enjoyment or to appreciate the art. The love of a good woman will serve as a better catharsis for you.

  • “Commie, British or Nazi Supermen are NOT legitimate”

    Says you. Red Son is one of the best explorations of the character of Superman and gets him right, depsite the ideological differences, better yet, it gets it right BECAUSE of the ideological difference. That story has as much legitimacy as any american Superman. Again, you miss the point that by now there is only preferences, yours, mine, anybody else. there is not one true Superman, only iterations, some more popular than others.

  • Mediocre only in the sense of being masterpieces of science fiction. By that definition, more mediocre movies should be made then.

  • Phillyflopper

    I think it was the 1989 Captain America. xD

  • Phillyflopper

    I predict that Bruce’s dad is gonna punch his fist outta the grave for some post death payback.

    Starring Jay Leno as Black Chin. xD

  • Which lead and helped the silver age ethos for superheroes. things don’t happen overnight, nor did the creation of the moral code, that idee that comics were corruptive was not just from the work or a single author, it was something that had been going on since comics became popular. As then as today, today it’s videogames, back then it was comics degenerating the youth according to moral guardians. This things don’t happen readily formed, they evolve.

  • “The versions you describe are embryonic forms”

    Oh please! And by what arbitrary line does it cross from embryonic to definitive? C’mon!!

  • Movies are designed to be WHATEVER THE FUCK the filmmakers want them to be. And i either enjoy them or not. And how i enjoy them is my own prerogative. You got that, chief?

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Somebody’s evidently got a bee in their bonnet. The movie’s on track to be a billion dollar grosser, which makes it as successful as any Marvel movie but three.

    I’m no cheerleader for this decidedly mixed movie, but most of these box office analyses are self-serving and purely speculative. Presales? The vast majority of viewers bought their tickets on the day they saw it, including myself, AFTER the bad reviews had filtered through. Only a great WW opening because of China? Yeah, maybe – except the same sadsacks downplaying BvS’s strong WW opening were making excuses for the dreadful Force Awakens’s FAILURE to break box office records precisely BECAUSE it didn’t open in China at the same time as every other territory. Had it done so, you can bet none of them would have brought up this “simultaneous worldwide release” thing as an unfair advantage to its success. The usual double standards and self-interests are being employed.

    BvS isn’t a slam dunk, but it’s been a solid box office success. The final tally is ultimately what matters. WB don’t have too much to worry about; they just need to refine the direction and tone of Justice League somewhat.

  • well, I guess if you look away from the money its made, minus the money they spent on it, the record setting drop off from friday to sunday, and the predicted drop next week according to analysts, yeah. Its gonna make 1 billion easy. Maybe 2 billion. Hell, if we just completely look away from the facts it might even make 3 billion. And it should. Because its the best film ever . 10/10

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Red Son is presented, very specifically and deliberately, as an alternate universe “elseworld” story. It isn’t part of a mainstream continuity, which Snyder’s movies very clearly are.

    And please stop bringing up this “preference” argument: relativism and subjectivity have their limits! Superman is Superman, not whosoever you choose him to be. You can have surface variations, true, but not ones that fundamentally violate the core tenets and principles of the character.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Your sarcasm is misplaced. It’s an average film, but it you think it’s going to flop, you’re deluded.

  • The Zebra Batman is a thing . I bet Snyder could make that work.

    http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/2185507-z1.jpg

  • I just read the numbers. Time will tell I guess. I just don´t see it having much repeat viewings in the coming weeks.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    YOU think they’re masterpieces. We don’t and many others don’t, either, for legitimate, considered reasons.

    Are you trying to convince everyone to think alike? What is this? The JJ Abrams’s group think club?

  • Rule number one: You do not talk about Think Club !!

  • And he fought against the ending they decided to go with.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Actually, he initially argued against it, then came around to agreeing with Snyder. Just as he did with the Zod neck snap.

    And a good thing, too. Now they have a “get out of jail free” card for introducing a “reborn” Superman who’s selfless, optimistic, embodies goodness and is happy to help, instead of the mopey bastard seen in the two films to date.

  • I want to hear from Nolan. I have heard Snyder’s version.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    “I want to hear from Nolan.”

    You won’t.

  • And I think I know why. He is a good soldier. He won’t pull a Trank on WB

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Time shapes the definitive version. Toruk Makto explained this better than I above. Read his post.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Oh boy, you lost it again. Take a chill pill.

    “And how i enjoy them is my own prerogative. You got that, chief?”

    Good. And I’d appreciate it if you’d extend the same courtesy to others, such your attempts to force people to accept Nolan’s movies as unquestionable masterpieces while giving yourself leeway to criticize and talk shit about whatever you please. Don’t tell us what to think. Would that be too much to ask, “chief”?

  • Captain Genius

    i liked frankenstein punisher

  • Captain Genius

    i’m not allowed to join think club. i couldn’t come up with a clever reason why and they told me the Smart Ass Club was down the hall. But it wasn’t. it was just a backed up toilet with a picture of Neil Degrasse Tyson taped to the wall.

  • Captain Genius

    booo. deduct 2 points from phillyflopper for the fairly odd parents joke

  • Captain Genius

    i’d see that movie and i hate batman

  • Sagamanus

    Seen it. It has its problems but definitely not worthy of a 30% rating or whatever it is at now. The introduction of the Justice League was in fact pretty damn good, with the exception of Cyborg which they could have actually let us see a bit more.

    PS: Dennis O’Keefe if you’re reading this, why don’t you make like a tree and get the hell out of here!

  • Sagamanus

    Wonder Woman is good in her action sequences.

  • Rule number two : You do not talk about Neil Degrasse Tyson

  • Superman !! Please save us !! For christ sake !! Why are you just floating there !!! Christ lord !! We have been on this roof for a long time !! Did we get the logo wrong ?? Please Im so sorry Superman !! Please help !!!!!

    http://33.media.tumblr.com/72bd5215fa6ddd1f7facf9d6b2799acf/tumblr_nmxmy5VbnC1scwxodo3_1280.gif

  • I can’t wait for Dark Sayid in the JL movie !!!

  • Phillyflopper

    Actually, I never seen that show or the scene.

  • If wonder-woman fights like she did in this movie, then why the hell did World War 1 not end in 3 weeks ??

  • Stalkeye
  • Toruk_Makto

    The Central Powers were obviously in league with super-powered aliens Sir. Do I have to do all the work here?

    SUPER-POWERED-ALIENS

    We owe this Woman our gratitude Sir, not our skepticism of dodgy plots.

  • Stalkeye
  • Stalkeye

    Razz be like: “I saw what you did there, Zack Snyder”!

  • Stalkeye
  • KilliK

    Superman is a dick

  • KilliK

    her legs too.

  • KilliK
  • KilliK

    I AM DARKNESS!

  • KilliK

    i wonder how many realize that Ripley gets fucked by the aliens in AR.

  • KilliK

    she is a fucking woman, what did you expect?

  • Stalkeye

    I blocked that shit out just like I blocked Alien 3 . Both should be considered Non-Canon. Way to shit on Cameron’s legacy.

  • Kylo-Kenchun24

    Yeah man, that knowing smirk Gal flashes when Doomsday lands one on her during their tussle, she was like “Oh yeah? Let’s do this!” One of three moments I was smiling from ear to ear in BvS… looking forward to WW.

  • Kylo-Kenchun24

    Good take Stalks…mixed bag of “awesome!” and “huh?”. One thing is BvS made me really want to see a TDK Returns film (even with Snyder still directing, as I love Watchmen DCut, and Snyder/Miller’s 300 was brawny sword & sandals action gore fun). But now that won’t happen since they merged TDKR, DoS and Flashpoint all into one already. So frustratring (and I’m not even a comic guys but I know those strories).

    I just didn’t like the scripted motives for BvS to tussle – it came off like, “Disappointed audience reaction to 3rd act destruction of MoS” with “Martha mom names” being tossed in.

    And the build up was not that great. Nitpicky here (and hopefully the Dcut will have this), but they set up Irons’ Alfred as his tech guy too in the beginning, so a little scene on Batfleck and Alfred hashing out the armor specifics, the tactics of the fight etc prior would have been cool to me, along with the training montage. Methinks all the crossfit in the world would not matter vs. the Son of Krypton (but the armor tech would) who just flicks The Bat with his pinky half a football field away.

    I think after the other DC character intro movies and JL, a full on TDReturns: BvS flick all about the battling ideologies of these two headliners would have been awesome AFTER we get to see them as just barely working together partners/heroes in some JL films. Stakes, impact of outcomes etc…

    I dunno what WB was thinking? Chicken or egg? Seemed like Snyder, Terrio, Goyer being forced to fast track a “catch up to Marvel and X-Men NOW!” script/film instead of fleshing out this DC/JL universe more first.

  • KilliK

    who bets they wont call him Black Adam in the movie?

  • Stalkeye

    Who bets that his love interest, Isis won’t be called Isis in the SHAZAM film?

  • Stalkeye

    Seemed like Snyder, Terrio, Goyer being forced to fast track a “catch up to Marvel and X-Men NOW!” script/film instead of fleshing out this DC/JL universe more first.”

    Yep and what’s sad is that they had the opportunity to be the very first ensemble Superhero team based film. Marvel was smart to take advantage of testing one character film at a time and as a result, we have The Avengers.
    It’s really sad and also BvS had a few wasted opportunities, like when Superman was called into the Congressional hearing but did not really get a chance to state his case to Senator Finch because of the explosion which had him flying off instead of investigating who “set us up the bomb”. XD

    Bruce using Lex’s meta-human file in order to locate and form the league had great potential and there should have been a scene where Bats contacts at least the Flash as a post or pre credits scene.

    Yes i loved the homages paid toward TDK Returns and Death of Superman, but i rather have these adaptations self contained which like you said, is impossible since they have already been used for this movie. “Martha” had me laughing. Both Mom’s are named Martha and that’s what saved Clark from getting owned altogether?

    Avengers still destroys this Movie, but at least BvS is better than the Thor Films, IronMan 2 &3 and anything Amazing Spiderman related.

  • Stalkeye
  • Stalkeye

    Very cheesy fucker when going up against him.

  • Stalkeye

    What’s to hate about Batman? He’s practically Dc’s best character.

  • Stalkeye

    I guess you’ll pirate the shit out of it. XD

  • Stalkeye

    “Snyderman” didn’t have any intent to kill Zod, but when things went to far like the deaths casued by the Kryptonians, his mother being threatened and now Zod was willing to exterminate a family, Kal-El had no alternative but to kill the sonabitch. This scene was also used for dramatic purposes. It’s the 52 universe and the ol skool rules may no longer apply.

    The Big, Blue Boy Scout worked with Reeve(s) but now its a new deal.

  • Kylo-Kenchun24

    “like when Superman was called into the Congressional hearing but did not
    really get a chance to state his case to Senator Finch because of the
    explosion which had him flying off instead of investigating who “set us
    up the bomb”.”

    Yup…and yet I liked that tense scene/aftermath jolted me for sure, even with Supes being bashed yet again in this MoS/BvS version of Supes/Kent. Poor Supes…I guess after the “Kryptonian spear of destiny” and his coming “resurrection”, maybe the humans in this world will lay off him a bit. Dude is just trying to save kitty’s from trees and stop his alien kindred…not his fault our flesh and buildings are frail lol

  • Phillyflopper

    Nah, I really am pretty patient with this movie. Plus, I’ve got way more shit to watch.

    And all I’ve gotten out of hearing about this film is it has a few cool moments. But the sum of it is that it is mostly boring. And since nothing sounds earth shattering or very exciting, I feel no need to feed the beast.

  • Stalkeye

    With the noted exception of those damn Penguin Pallbearers.

    https://mutantreviewers.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/br_penguin_burial.jpg

  • Stalkeye

    (:’

  • Stalkeye

    I’ll put “Baleman” orver “Burtonman” anyday.
    TBH Bale has a shitty Batman voice.

  • Stalkeye

    Deleted Scene, already? He does look like MK X’s Shinok! Now I know what Killik was referring to.
    https://youtu.be/s-MUzvASr8s

  • Captain Genius

    he’s dc’s john cena.

  • Captain Genius

    everything is horrible now

  • Captain Genius

    that shit was crazy. i want more shit like that. comics should be entertaining and unexpected.

  • Orcus

  • Ilsa, Dee-Wolf of the SN

    there is a rumour that it’s supposed to be a character called “Steppenwolf”

  • Zed

    He was waiting for Rey to finish the tutorial and press A to start the quest.

  • Zed

    That review has almost as much wearisome philosophizing as the movie.

  • KilliK
  • Dee

    I stand corrected

  • KilliK

    now, now, despite your personal preferences, these are different explorations of the character in a “what if” scenario. They are still not the definitive Superman, whose core character has remained intact despite its small changes in his 75yo history.

    Would you argue that definitive Spock is not necessarily the one in TOS era, but could equally and rightfully be any other iteration like the mirror Spock or the NuTrek Spock, simply because they exist too?

    I think not. So you must understand why the same applies with Superman and any other iconic character with different takes on it. Your Red Son Superman is an interesting character but he is not the definitive Superman. He is simply not.

  • KilliK

    I think Asimov is applying the same argument that he does in my criticism that Nolan’s Batman is an inferior version to the comicbook one. His argument is that different takes on the character are as valid as the original one. Which is fine, no disagreement with that but that alone is not enough to disregard the criticism itself:

    Nolan’s Batman sucks. He is weak,pussy, his skills just like his fights and plans, are nowhere near the level of the genius strategist Batman who is also the greatest detective in the world.

    Same goes for Snyderman: it’s an awful, despicable rendition of the iconic character.Yeah, change him, do your own thing, dont recycle the Donnerverse Superman, make him less campy, more badass, ok, fine, do it. BUT respect the core traits of what makes this character so great and popular. Instead, he turned him into a sociopathic massacrer whose good deeds feel more like a burden to him, than something which he genuinely wants to do. Snyderman is a different take on the character, but it’s a fucking shitty take.

  • Stalkeye
  • Stalkeye

    Jonh Cena was funny in Trainwreck.

  • Full Frontal Throttle

    Not even close

  • Full Frontal Throttle

    Sort of like you have on numerous counts! BOOM Britches

  • Full Frontal Throttle

    You are still clueless

  • Stalkeye

    Ben Affleck wrote his own Batman story?
    Ho-Lee-Fuk!

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ben-affleck-has-written-his-879355

  • Stalkeye

    Yuga Khan sounds like a name for some Greek Yogurt.
    Kinda like..
    http://thescienceofeating.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Favorite-Products-Fage-Greek-Yogurt.jpg

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Correct. Asimov seems to be arguing that anything goes, that it’s all down to subjective preference; but of course, that’s not true. There are certain traits of a character that are inviolable; otherwise how could we even have a recognizable pop culture icon, instinctively understood by millions, in the first place?

    Perhaps his argument is merely that, as long as there was precedent for it in the source material at some point or other, then any portrayal of a character that follows that interpretation is valid. The trouble with that argument is that there was NEVER a portrayal of Superman remotely like Snyder’s at any point in Superman’s history, including Asimov’s beloved Golden Age.

  • KilliK

    just ate that today.

  • KilliK

    oh, they are masterpieces alright. masterpieces of boredom.

  • KilliK

    um, you do realize you are the one who mentioned Jim and turned my original post into a Jim-Nolan competition,right? so calling me obsessed iiis a bit ironic.

    and no, Nolan is not a great director, neither is TDK a masterpiece. I like him and most of his movies, I enjoy TDK and I consider it a gamechanger, but Cameron,Spielberg,Lucas, he aint. he just aint. I realize you cant handle this truth and you lose it when your beloved director and his work is criticized, but it’s something that you must simply learn to tolerate. I am not trying to change your opinion, you have your beliefs regarding this subject, fine, but try to respect my opinion and the opinion of others.

    “and for fuck’s sakes, don’t call him Jim, that’s disrespectful! You are his fan, not his personal friend, you didn’t went to school with him, you are not one of his family members or acquaintances. For you and me he is James Cameron, Mr Cameron or at the most familiar, Cameron and that’s it. anything more familiar that that is utter disrespet. Why the hell you think i often call JJ Abrams by his first name Jeffrey? Because i’m his fucking fan?”

    oh, shut up.

  • KilliK

    the only villain in this movie is Snyder.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Superman could have grabbed Zod and flew directly up into space with him; or, alternatively, let Zod go, spun round to face him using super speed and took the brunt of Zod’s beams himself. The true Superman would’ve improvised during a battle and thus ensured he’d never be forced into the position of having to kill an opponent.

    Zack isn’t following the new 52 (I don’t think Superman explicitly destroys more than demons or robots in that line); he’s just a sadist.

  • KilliK

    the neck snapping is only the cherry on the cake, in the entirety of both films, nowhere Snyderman exhibits the traits of the iconic Superman. countless examples like the one where he crashes the african terrorist through two walls with his super-speed instead of just removing the gun from his hand before he even notices it.

    This has nothing to do with Nu52 or whatever shit, this is about the distorted reimagination of an iconic character by two hacks who are incapable of understanding what makes this character work.

    Snyder and Goyer have explicitly stated in their interviews when making MOS, that they dont like Superman and they are fans of Batman, that they find him boring and that they wanted to try and make hims more interesting with their movie. Snyderman is what an interesting Superman is supposed to be according to Snyder, Goyer and Nolan since he was the exec producer who hired those hacks and had creative input in the reboot.

    It still amazes that Hollywood, a billion dollar industry, is run by people who are completely clueless, who dont even know how to handle and make the best out of their properties. Instead of putting Dini and Timm as the chief architects of the DCEU, they gave their entire franchise to one of the worst directors/writers in HW who had already ruined one of the greatest comicbooks ever. it boggles the mind.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    I don’t understand why Goyer is given so many comic book movies to write (including many unproduced ones). Why? He’s clueless about comics. When did he become an authoritative voice on them? His comments about Martian Manhunter and She-Hulk were beyond idiotic.

    He and Snyder need to be give the boot. I had no idea that they straight up admitted to disliking Superman. That’s appalling, and it explains a lot.

  • Not for the first time in one of his movies.

  • Stalkeye

    Tonight, Banshee’s final season! YES!!!

  • Stalkeye

    Aesthetically speaking, Kilmer was more convincing as Batman than both Keaton and Clooney.

  • KilliK

    agreed.

  • KilliK

    oh yes, they did, during the MOS production. as I said, it boggles the mind how HW operates in their decision making.

  • Bop

    Yeah. Unfortunately I can only watch it tomorrow. Some people need to prepare it if you know what I mean. 🙂

  • southafricanguy

    They made an Alien 3 and 4??…..why are you talking about movies that don’t exist?

  • southafricanguy

    Doomsday just looked like ass…..terrible design. Like the film…..a boring unimaginative design.

  • southafricanguy

    Agreed….Afflecks batman and the ww scenes (along with a cool theme for her) were the only bright spots of the film

  • southafricanguy

    Amen…..Second me on that one. I really didn’t like BvS…..but I am totally down for said Affleck solo directed Batman film.

    I would love to see him tackle the Court of Owls storyline.

  • southafricanguy

    Agree about Inception (a modern classic for sure) …but I really don’t like Interstellar…..a thoroughly mediocre film with a very mediocre script and some fairly stupid stuff (how the fuck can you teach someone how to create black holes/wormholes using morsecode on a Goddamn watch!!??)

  • southafricanguy

    Agree in terms of Interstellar

  • southafricanguy

    Batman Returns is still good. Admittedly it may depend on how you feel about Burton…..but I feel it still holds up.

  • southafricanguy

    Bales Batman is…..ok. Not bad by any means….but not definitive at all. The ridiculous voice is what really gets old. I prefer Keatons batman myself…..but really….Conroys batman (animated) is better than both. And Peter Wellers Batman in tdkr) was fucking awsome imho.

    I can’t say Afflecks batman is better than Bales simply because he has not done enough in the role to justify such an assessment. I do think they have so far gotten the look and action down better.

    I really like Nolans Batman movies ( the dark knight rises aside…which was a big step down imho) but the action scenes were never their strong points. BvS goes the opposite route and makes story…character….theme and dialogue it’s weak points…

  • southafricanguy

    I really wish you guys would stop talking about imaginary movies that don’t exist

  • southafricanguy

    Nolan is old school and classy. He just doesn’t talk about that stuff.

  • southafricanguy

    I hope his Dunkirk movie will be a return to form. Tdkr and Interstellar…..while not bad movies by any means….were much weaker compared to his best films.

  • southafricanguy

    They certainly have given us the best costume….compared to all the rubber one of the past

    Even Bales costume…..when seen in daylight in tdkr did not look all that good.

    But Afflecks batman certainly looks the most like comic book character in terms of costume and physique

  • southafricanguy

    Completely off topic….but after watching ex machine (great movie BTW….and thank God it won the FX Oscar over sw) I think the casting of Oscar Isaacs as Apocalypse in the new Xmen film will turn out to be an inspired choice

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Exactly. How can someone use a simple two bit system to translate astoundingly complex cosmological equations? That was like something out of a Twilight Zone fantasy and not befitting of a supposed hard science fiction film. Interstellar falls apart under close scrutiny and seems designed to hoodwink people ignorant of science (theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss was particularly disgusted with it and said it had made nonsense of Kip Thorne’s theories).

    I don’t consider Inception a classic, either, though. The snow fortress section was probably the most boring, incomprehensible action sequence I’ve witnessed outside of a Michael Bay film – hardly a positive thing in a movie Nolan boasted of as being modeled on golden era James Bond. Plus, the dream rules established were completely illogical and inconsistent, seemingly changing to fit the plot at will.

    As far as I’m concerned, Nolan hasn’t directed anything truly successful, on an artistic level, since The Prestige.

  • southafricanguy

    I really like Inception. I understand your points and think that fair enough regarding the rules of the dream sequences. But I think it all works withing the context of how the film uses it. I think Inception holds up well…..and for me it was Nolan’s last out and out good movie.

    For me TDKR was the downslide from which he has not recovered yet.

  • Vampire Hunter D(ee)

    Yeah but the Marvel way is not the only way. You can incite interest with supporting characters too, just look at SW as a prime example. And didn’t they pull it off? Even the negative reviews praise Batman and Wonder Woman, so there is that.

  • KilliK

    well said, mate. both Inception and Interstellar are mediocre, overrated borefests. Some good parts here and there but as a whole not the masterpieces the Nolanoids praise them to be.

  • KilliK

    nah, both Interstellar and Inception are overrated mediocrities.

    btw, how are you, mate? is everything ok? did you see BVS?

  • KilliK

    oh you saw? you didnt like it, eh? yeah, awful movie but with some good parts. they really need to fire Snyder and give the franchise to Affleck for the Bat films, and some other director who understands Superman and knows how to tell a good story.but alas, it wont happen.

  • Most movies today are well cast, truth be told. Except the Abrams Treks.

  • I have to disagree with you on that, friend. Those movies, i left the theater with a big smile on my face. Nolan makes movies that i want to see.
    As for Dunkirik, i guess i might feel a great responsability in making it good, given that it’s such an iconic moment in Britain’s recent history, with him being english and all.

  • It still holds if you do not mind the circus aspect of the movie, which i don’t. At least back then when Burtonmade his circus movies, they were still genuine. But time has diminished the effect the movie once had on me. The Nolan’s Batman movies have something to do with that.

  • A discussion on why all what you see in the movie is actually based on viable Physics as we know it today would be fairly extense to just resumed to one comment box. But strange as that might be, it’s actually based on excisting speculative science. The strangest things in the movie is based on known or speculative (but solid) science, in fact, the movie even downplays! Except floating mountain clouds of ice, that’s nonsense! There are clouds of ice, but not like that. Believe it or not, that’s the only time the movie actually fails scientifically.

  • I read an Affleck interview about him being directed by another when he is a director himself. As usually for him, he was quite humble about it and said he treated being under another director’s dorection for BvS as a learning experience on how to deal with movies on such a monumental scale. Remember, he declined proposals to direct The Man Of Steel and Star Wars Episode 7 because he felt he lacked experience in making such big scale movies.

  • Stalkeye

    Conroy is the definite Bat voice!!
    Nolans’ first two batman films were great but the lack of martial arts scenes and that raspy voice lowered my rating a bit.
    Keaton didn’t really have the look for Batman. I’m sorry but I cant get over that flabby face. WTF was that idiot Burton thinking? He could’ve cast Alec Baldwin (Beetlejuice) as Bruce Wayne/Batman instead. Looking back, the Burton Bat films were a bit overrated.

  • Stalkeye

    Good answer, Southie!

  • southafricanguy
  • southafricanguy

    It’s the only answer. I don’t know what else I can say about movies that don’t exist. There was Alien and Aliens…..end of the series. Ripley, Newt, Hicks, and Bishop are still asleep aboard the Sulaco…

  • southafricanguy

    they were to a degree……but certain aspects of them have held up well, and there is certainly plenty to still enjoy about them. Nolan’s films were superior no doubt….but I still enjoy Burton’s take.

  • southafricanguy

    great points Asi

  • southafricanguy

    different for me….those two films made me leave the theater annoyed. TDKR for being a piss poor adaption of Knightfall and No mans land (the literal equivalent of making The lord of the rings as a single movie) , the whitewashing casting of Bane, and the plot holes big enough to drive a boeing 777 through. …and Intersteller for just being so damn average. Not to mention that grating speech about love Hathaway gives….The Martian was a far superior film for me.

    And I am sorry….but there is no way you will ever convince me that something as stunningly complex as how to create a blackhole/wormhole using morse code on a fucking watch is in any way believable. That end segment with the library in space and the watch just sunk the whole film for me. And don’t even get me started on the ridiculous reunion he has with his daughter….for about two minutes before….bye…see ya…

  • This would need a much longer reply that the one i have time to (since i’m at work right now…9 but here’s two things:
    1- TDKR is not one adaptation of any single or two comics. It takes some inspirations and plot points but that’s where it ends.
    2- Hathaway’s speech is supposed to sound cringy and unconfortable, it’s supposed to sound like it’s deranged as words said by somebody who is suffering a mental breakdown, for good reasons. The movie doesn’t support her idea itself. It might seem so but it does in such a roundabout way by using a side effect of extreme bending of space time and the judicial use of the right person to send the right message to the right person at the right time. which is doable is you can bend space-time like as depicted in the movie, since it’s, like, a black hole. I really can’t expçain this better with so little words as this, it would take a really long post to do so.

  • I watched the movie this saturday, it’s OK, nothing much.

  • southafricanguy

    ?…..what movie?….I just meant the video of Nolan and Donner chatting. A pretty good conversation between two great film makers imho

  • Oh, i mean Batman Vs Superman! Sorry.

  • Oh, sorry, i mean Batman Vs Superman. For some reason your link didn’t showed up the first time i saw your comment. Now that was awkward! Going to check out your link pronto.

  • Just watched the thing. Great video. It’s great to see two very talented directors just talking about their trade and having fun in each others presence. It’s also cool to see Nolan geeking out, proof that the dude is just one of us. He doesn’t need a PR department to convince us, he just is.

  • southafricanguy

    I really enjoyed it

  • southafricanguy

    dont worry…I didnt like BvS either……awful movie imho…

  • I have no strong opinion about it.

  • southafricanguy

    in that you kind of liked it…..or just didnt give a shit?

  • Kinda liked it but will not occupy much of my thoughts. It came and went. It’s no Batman Begins, that’s for sure.
    It did made me eager to see what Affleck will do with his own Batman movie.

  • southafricanguy

    Asi….saying it’s no Batman begins is an understatement.

    Imho….it’s not fit to lick the sweat from BB balls.

    Yea….agreed…..really want to see an Affleck directed solo Batman film

  • There’s only one comic book movie better than Batman Begins, and that’s The Dark Knight. That says a lot!

  • By the way, have you seen the new episode of Game of Thrones?

  • southafricanguy

    I am probably going to shock you my friend….but I have never seen a single episode of GOT

  • southafricanguy

    i personally could never name a single best film as the best of any genre (i can of course name my own personal favorite).

    as far as comic book movies go.(in no particular order)..its Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Avengers (the first one of course), Xmen2, Xmen: Days of Future Past for me

    With honorable mentions for The Winter Soldier and Deadpool.

  • KilliK

    hey, cool link, south.

  • KilliK

    south, what do you think of XM:A? looks okish but nothing great.

  • southafricanguy

    yeah…it is. Such a pity Donner doesn’t make movies anymore.

  • southafricanguy

    its looking pretty damn awsome to me. After DOFP I trust Singer (and I am generally a fan of Singers films). He has not yet made a bad xmen film…..so I have no reason to think this wont be as good. Plus…Oscar Isaacs is a damn fine actor. I look forward to seeing him as Apocalypse. I really like the latest trailer. Feels and looks epic to me.

  • KilliK

    yeah, wouldnt mind a new Lethal Weapon. nice conversation between those two, although Nolan is exaggerating a bit about the whole practical/CGI subject.

  • KilliK

    nice to hear you are looking forward to it. I enjoyed DOFP but I expected Apocalypse to be a bit more impressive and imaginative. anyway. I dont know about you, but I ll spend the next one and a half months in cinema, watching CW,XM:A,ID4-2,Warcraft and then Suicide Squad. This summer is very crowded.

  • i usually can’t name one best of anything in regard to movies, with two exceptions:
    Best movie ever made: Citizen Kane
    Best comic book movie: The Dark Knight.

  • In a way, i envy you. Because if you eve come around to do it, you are in for a treat…. of 60 episodes long! Man, to discover GOT and have so much to see is just one of the best things could happen to a geek!

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    “Nolan is exaggerating a bit about the whole practical/CGI subject.”

    As usual. then. You know, for such a purportedly rational director, it amazes me the amount of fallacies and nonsensical goobledegook Nolan uses in favor of his biases.

  • southafricanguy

    I will Def be watching all those too

  • southafricanguy

    Im fascinated by Warcraft and have no idea what to expect. I will see civil war on thursday….and ID4-2 looks dumb but fun.

    Really looking forward to both SS (dear lord let it be better than BvS) and XM:A

  • KilliK

    I am sure SS will be better than BvS. everything else will be better than that shitfest.

  • southafricanguy

    i saw civil war last night. It was excellent.

  • southafricanguy

    have you seen civil war yet?

  • southafricanguy

    seen civil war yet?

  • Nope. I’m curious about, but i’m not going to rush seeing it. There’s television shows going on right now that are catching my attention.

  • KilliK

    really? glad to hear. i will watch it next thursday.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Not yet. I’ll see it next week.

  • Full Frontal Throttle

    Captain America 3 is about to kick the shit out of this film. Afleck was very good as Batman, the script sucked, as well as Snyders lame direction. Once again, Marvel Wins! Believe It! (I am not a Marvel Fan boy, but boy, someone needs to reset and get it right, because it’s getting embarrasing)!

  • Stalk?

    2 days and counting!!!!!!!