God Forgives: The Audience does not God Forgives: The Audience does not
"Only God Forgives" (2013) is not a film for everyone. Is it for anyone? God Forgives: The Audience does not

Who’s this film for exactly? Not for people who can say ‘Drive brought me here’ apparently. When you’re filled with expectation, I guess turbulence can set in if you don’t get your fix. Yeah they demand directors stay on course and give them repackaged versions of what they’ve done before. And when they get it, they demand that those directors abandon that and try something new. You can’t really satisfy them. They want their genre films to resemble the familiar with only minor innovations, and nothing too drastic. In this case a Pew pew film and not a gangster with impotence. No not the sexual dysfunction. Although there is plenty of water from that well.

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Now get up and kiss your mother…I’ll get the man who killed your brother.

The first twenty minutes seem as if we’re walking through the hallucinations of several split-personalities. Nothing is moving. It’s not a criticism. It’s just the opening. There is little dialog and the thrust of everything is its imagery. A stopwatch ex-cop who carries a Kachin Dha or short sword invades people’s personal space as if transcending time.  A pedophile tourist scopes Thailand for girls under fourteen. When he fails to get the man distributing girls to give up his daughter for a large sum he beats him over the head with a bottle. Then attacks the other girls in the Panopticon-like room they’re in.

Julian (Ryan Gosling) plays a drug dealer in Bangkok and runs a boxing club for cover. His brother has just been killed. Incidentally the pedophile in question. He vows to get revenge, though you wouldn’t know that by him telling you. Gosling has seventeen lines in total for the whole film and looks at people as if they were mirrors reflecting back at him. His stare works. The scene where his mother (Kristin Scott Thomas) initiates his date into the realities of what he does is something else. Telling her that her son Julian’s cock wasn’t as big as his brother’s reveals an active Oedipal ragecano on tour in Thailand on his face. The stare that crossed all known realms. It was cringing but funny.

Ex-cop Chang played by Vithaya Pansringarm is an avenging angel of death. Maybe God. Something that was whispered into his ear during filming by Refn. He resembles Robert Blake’s Mystery Man from Lost Highway and seems to pull his sword from out of his back, almost as if it was his spine. It’s a third limb for him as he patrols this universe from another plane of existence. He’s also a Karaoke singer who serenades his fellow officers. Neither of who do anything as they like everyone else in this film are observers in this world of silence and fear. They’re you and me. A witness of some sort. He’s there to sever limbs and oedipal relationships. Business seems to be booming in this world of blood-painting still lives. Where the bodies are arranged in a way as to force us to meditate on them.

In the fight between Julian and Chang, Julian loses badly. Don’t expect to root for one or the other as it’s irrelevant. This is a war between two almost supernatural forces, maybe even nations if I read the subtext correctly. Julian who cocks his fists and looks like he’s prepared for battle embarrasses himself, unable to even land a punch. He later retreats to a rural compound to stare into himself eventually brandishing a gun to even things out. This is quite a strong scene on male impotence and possibly American gun culture. I can’t be sure. But Nicolas Winding Refn, whose previous work was Drive (also starring Gosling), essentially made this into a ‘Western with a modern cowboy’ for its template as he said. So that could be an indication.

The space around scenes folds like Japanese dividing screens. Even curtains and ornamental displays between diaphanous and opaque become something to look at or through into another room. The film reminds me of Mishima, shot like a play. Faces haunt you in a mysterious foreign land where the Eighties never stopped. And the soundtrack reflects that.

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This film wasn’t going to do well even at only one hour and twenty nine minutes. And it isn’t for everyone. No one according to some. That much is certain. It floats and lingers trying to penetrate the minds of its characters in an attempt to link the audience to the acts. It’s mostly images reduced to symbols. You will have to think about while watching and that’s a problem these days. Though I think it’s always been one to tell you the truth.

Who will judge the judges here? If they want commercialism in all their films and think that anything else shouldn’t even exist, use this as your criteria instead.  Look at the trailer, and if you don’t see a dinosaur in it, don’t go see it. This film is not for you!

 

Only God Forgives (2013), directed by Nicolas Winding Refn

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  • Mr Nick Nightly

    This is one of my favorite films. Refn’s commentary track is funny and interesting.

  • Tarmac492.1

    Great shit, as always dude. I enjoyed this fucking flick–gorgeous to look at and Kristin Scott Thomas was great. I am also a fan of Gosling. I think the dude can act, even if he is tad tacit and eccentric.

  • Tarmac492.1

    I really like it as well. I find it funny that alot of people hated it because it wasnt “Drive and alot of people hated Drive because it wasnt Fast and Furious.

  • Love this film, goddammit

  • Stalkeye

    I was curious about checking this out when it was on Netflix but the rating of “One star” told me to avoid at all costs. Glad to know that some of you actually like it.

  • KilliK

    zzzzzzzzz….

  • Stalkeye

    I loved Drive! it was like watching a Michael Mann Movie circa 1980’s.
    This is my favorite Refn Movie so far.

    Not to mention it’s cool intro that’s full of 80’s goodness!

  • Another one that I’ve had on the pile for what seems like forever. Do I even watch movies anymore? Fucking television…

  • Tarmac492.1

    Sabres season.

  • Tarmac492.1

    I also love any scene that puts the camera inside the car as they drive. That is some real 70’s shit that never gets old.

  • Tarmac492.1

    I think Refn should direct the Bob Ross biopic with Ryan Gosling as Bob Ross. Those happy little trees might be a tad warped.

  • Mr Nick Nightly

    I think this movie is absolutely bad ass.

  • That too, and the fucking Blue Jays for now I suppose.

  • Tarmac492.1

    Fuck the Blue Jays!! WHo coaches the Sabres? Where does peter Laviolette coach?I thought He did a good job with the Islanders back in the day. I think that was the last time I watched hockey with any regularity.

  • Stalkeye

    I know, right? The Flash, Arrow, TWD and now The Knick all returning with fresh new eps. I’m pretty much done with Homeland and sadly, TBX aint doing it for me lately.

  • Stalkeye

    Well, you were dead on about your recommending Cold day in July…

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Wanna bet you-know-who will be along shortly to defend this pretentious garbage?

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Nicolas Winding Refn – overrated! A prime example of style-over-substance if ever I saw one.

    Too often he confuses vacuous pretension with depth, and an incoherent, meandering narrative with unconventionality. Even his good ones films, like Bronson, make that mistake. Genuinely clever material sits side-by-side with crap!

  • Laviolette’s with Nashville now, did an OK job last year, better than I expected.

    Sabres have Bylsma, who I personally think only has a career due to getting an easy gig coaching the Penguins at the height of Crosby’s career, but we’ll see I guess. He’s been OK so far.

  • Haven’t even got to starting Homeland this season yet. Ugh…

  • Bop

    Still haven’t continued with TBX.
    Only Supernatural now.

  • Bop

    You ain’t missing much with the movies. I can’t find anything remotely interesting movie-wise these days.

  • Bop

    I really didn’t like this movie. And I liked the Pusher trilogy and Bleeder.

  • KilliK

    hilarious how he praises Drive, a movie which is a love letter to the 80s.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Nah, Drive was a love letter to 1980, which means it took place in the seventies. Bwahahahahaha!!!

  • KilliK

    LOOOOOL! didnt he once say that the visuals are from the 80s, but the rest (plot,montage,etc), is from the 70s? it’s like with Blade Runner, the first draft was written in the 70s, so it’s a 70s film. LOL.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Yes, I remember him saying that. Talk about selective reasoning.

  • Stalkeye

    TBX is not looking too well and this is coming from a Kurt Sutter fan .
    But hey, there’s always that Mexican SOA series whenever it airs.

  • Stalkeye

    It’s on the back burner for me.

  • Bop

    I want a June Stahl show, damnit. 🙂

  • Tarmac492.1

    I enjoyed Drive for it’s slickness and kind of offbeat story. I got a kind of Andrew Vachss Burke story vibe, or maybe even some Jim Thompson lite? It definitely had 1984 written all over it with the Neon and Dragon jacket. Had nice sudden violence like the insanely underrated To Live and Die in LA.

  • Stalkeye

    Um, too late for that. (0:<

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    FUCK, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/39466/rodriguez-to-helm-cameron-s-battle-angel

    Whatever happened to “they’ll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands”, Jim? I’m glad this is finally getting made, but not by this guy. I appreciate JC is good friends with him, but he’s a cheap fucking hack these days, and won’t be able to direct this property to the level of quality it deserves.

  • Pissing on this movie is the reason why the geeks and fanbois don’t deserve good things anymore.

  • KilliK

    TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURD! I JUST LEARNED IT AND WAS GONNA TELL YOU ABOUT IT.

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    If we were talking about nineties Rodriguez, I’d be cautiously optimistic. I’d maybe even extend that sentiment to the mid-00s, when he made Sin City. He was a good action director then and quite creative. But he’s made nothing but cheap trash for years now. I don’t have a lot of faith that he can deliver the kind of epic movie that’s required.

  • KilliK

    SHUT YOUR MOUTH!

    An upcoming masterpiece just got replaced by garbage, your shitty director and his shitty movie are irrelevant right now.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    This is about what I expected from you. Didn’t you say the same thing regarding True Detective Season 2?

    Learn to employ some critical thinking, please, instead of using the same tired and patronizing emotional gambits over and over again. This is not AICN.

  • KilliK

    Jim has lost it, mate, that’s all I am gonna say. Ok, you want to have your full focus on your Avatar films, no problem with that, but give your other precious project to some other young and hungry young director who would have killed to work with you. not a washed up director who hasnt made a good film for over a decade now.
    FUCK. I am speechless right now.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    The trouble is, I can’t think of anyone who could do it justice these days, apart from Jim himself. You say hire “some young and hungry director”, but who? Those directors don’t exist anymore. Blomkamp and his peer group are garbage and not worthy of such a huge project. Maybe there’s someone undiscovered out there, but I doubt it.

    Fuck, this is a bit like Ridley and his weird Blade Runner 2 decisions. Maybe Fox was putting the pressure on for another big franchise and they didn’t want to wait until 2020 or whatever.

    In any case, RR will either sink this thing or end up rising to the challenge with JC’s help and making the finest movie of his career – by a longshot.

  • Bop

    Prequel. 🙂

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Hell, a lot of good flicks on Netflix got a one star rating. Just go for it!

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Dammit, someday. SOMEDAY.

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Wait this is on Netflix? Watching it tonight.

  • Sagamanus

    OH MY GOD!

  • Sagamanus

    Holy crap you do watch a lot of TV. And don’t forget listening to music.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Is that an exclamation of delight or an exclamation of alarm?

  • Sagamanus

    Shock. I kind of suspected it was going to happen though. I bet you he drops off the project though. Not that Cameron will be doing it, it’s just that initial directors never seem to stay on.

  • Sagamanus

    I was fearing what your link was going to be. Did not expect that.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    It could be that Fox want another mega-franchise to add to their slate as soon as possible and are forcing Cameron’s hands here. Perhaps Rodriguez will drop out but, as always, there are always worse people that could step in in his stead.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    “Legendary Hollywood director James Cameron died today at 12.42 EST while fishing for plankton at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

    A sleeping giant reptile – which the locals have nicknamed ‘Gojira’ – was awakened from its slumber and devoured Cameron’s craft, which it mistook for a whale. Witnesses at the site say the irate green beast has taken off for LA to visit fellow filmmaker JJ Abrams and implore the Force Awakens helmer to direct Cameron’s planned Avatar 2.

    Close sources of the monster claim even it was looking forward to the upcoming director’s movie; this is its way of making amends for its tragic mistake – although it does continue to insist, according to one eye-witness, that Cameron’s sub “was a noisy SOB and should have had a muffler fitted to prevent disturbances…”

  • I do through Netflix and everything is either something I’ve seen, or has as much appeal as hemorrhoids.

  • Sagamanus

    Honestly before I clicked in, I considered that JC was injured somewhere.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    After what happened to James Horner, that’s not surprising.

  • gorgarwilleatyou1

    come on the Sabres can only go up especially after last year, did you see that nice Eichel goal the other night!!

  • gorgarwilleatyou1

    You know what turd I watched on Netflix the other night and could not believe how bad it was, Argento’s Dracula it stank i cant believe it was the same guy who directed Suspiria I dare anyone to try and get through it.

  • gorgarwilleatyou1

    Totally agree love this movie…

  • Sagamanus

    I haven’t seen Susperia yet, but I’ll try and watch those two back to back.

  • gorgarwilleatyou1

    I don’t think he has the fight in him anymore, he used to go at it like crazy in the old days over at the other pace. I guess we all get older…

  • Dr. Geiszler, Kaijuologist

    Heard bad things about it. Shoot, has he really lost his touch?

  • gorgarwilleatyou1

    Who knows the lighting in the thing sucks, not sure if that was down to being filmed in 3D. The acting sucks and the effects are like some crappy video game from 1997 basically it fucking sucks! Even Rutger cant save it!

  • Sagamanus

    Hey Puck you should put your music selection article up here. Even if few people read it, it doesn’t matter. I discovered a ton of music from it because of you. Hope you’re working on another one of those.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    His best days are definitely behind him. He’s changed over the years, and not for the better.

    When the man started posting pics of recipes over at the old Talkbacker place, and got the sole female commenter there to make You Tube videos of her reciting Shakespearean sonnets for his wistful pleasure, I knew there was nothing left…

  • southafricanguy

    agreed….I have no prob with another directing taking over doing it as it means it will get made sometime in the near future…..but RR????……Fuuuuuuuk

    He has just made garbage for years now…

  • southafricanguy

    I think the only hope is that RR uses Cameron’s script and that Cameron is a hands on producer with it. If RR is left entirely to his own devices…..yikes..

  • southafricanguy

    are you serious?

  • Stalkeye

    Duly noted, Meng.

  • Stalkeye

    If you’re an acclaimed Horror director and fuck up a great IP like Dracula, then its time to hang it in.

  • KilliK

    LOL!

  • Yup, back over 20 active shows again because I foolishly broke my own rule to add Blunt Talk (pretty good) and I’m about to start this new hockey show called Benders (figure I have to).

  • Eichel’s the real deal. I’ve got a lot of hope for the Sabres in 2-3 seasons, but this year they’re still gonna suck because that defense is atrocious.

  • The best of 13-14 articles? I did repost those, just did it “silently” (ie. back dated them). =)

    I’m going to post shorter, similar articles for every year from 2012 going back to the early 90’s at least, just haven’t had time for it. Slammed at work lately and working on X-files prep or other stuff instead.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Unfortunately, I am. I didn’t make up a single thing there. Asimov really did start doing those things.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    That’s supposed to be the plan, but Cameron will be so busy with Avatar I don’t think he’ll have time to supervise Rodriguez’s activities.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Who would your choice be? I can’t think of anyone who’d be suitable. Of course, there are directors like Fincher and Scott, but I doubt they’d take on something like this unless they were given complete control.

  • Stalkeye

    I heard that JC finally bowed out of doing Battle Angel.
    Damn, Avatar!!!

  • Bop

    How about Christophe Gans?

  • southafricanguy

    great question. For me personally…..I would avoid the instinct to go for a young or up and coming director in the sense that I don’t think it needs to be. Imho Fincher and Scott would not be suitable as they are not really action directors…..and if you have read the Manga (I bought several volumes of it the last time I was in Japan) there is some pretty insane action that would require a master action director to translate onto the screen. Also…it would need someone that knows how to work with complex effects and knows cyberpunk as a genre.

    So….for me…..give Paul Verhoeven a call!!!

  • southafricanguy

    I agree…..if it was Sin City RR (its still a good movie) then cool…..but he has been pumping out Spy kids and Machete for so damn long…

  • Tarmac492.1

    Jim Mickle or Jeremy Saulnier. Not sci-fi directors but they can handle the action. The dude that directed those Raid movies? Even someone from TV would be better. Alan Taylor? As mentioned, if RR uses JC script with JC very involved it would probably be ok. I don’t know the Battle Angel story, so I am shooting in the dark, but if it isnt JC, most anyone is a step down.

  • southafricanguy

    I happy to get both. An epic sci fi universe not based on any pre exisiting intellectual property with a billion dollar budget, and a team of writers collaborating together and an adaptation of an amzing Japanese manga…..yes please.

    I would prefer both to be directed by Cameron in a perfect world. But I think handing it off is ultimately the smart move to ensure it happens.

  • Tarmac492.1

    has he directed anything worthwhile in 25 years?

  • southafricanguy

    ooookkkkaaayyyyyy……….I take a leave of absence for a while and when I come back……

  • Tarmac492.1

    Suspiria is great, but, IMO, even his classics had serious script issues. >jumps out of the plane without chute to escape retribution for Argento bashing<

  • Stalkeye

    I have to disagree with you there Southie (Welcome back, long time no see Friend!) because like Alien which is a Pre-existing IP, I know he would’ve knocked BA out the park. It doesn’t matter if it’s not his original concept but what he can do with it. Kinda like Chef Gordon Ramsay with a pair of Chicken drumsticks, celery and 2 Potatoes.

    Artistry, dammit!

  • southafricanguy

    oh…I do not disagree with you about that. I also think he would have knocked BAA out of the park. But as he isnt going to get around to it for a while I guess the choice comes down to hand it off to another director or to simply never get it made? And in this case it seems the only way we can get it is this way. Now I am not thrilled with the choice of RR…..but I will say that I think RR can do it provided he is using a good script (in other words….keep him the fuck away from the script) and has a strong hands on producer. So I have hope that the script has already been written by Cameron and Laeta Kalogirdis and that Lightstorm will be producing it with Cameron and Landau both onboard.

    Also, regarding my comment about original IPs….the point I was making was that while there is nothing wrong at all with adapting various source materials…It is nice to also have stuff that is not based on anything so that I truly have zero idea of where it will go or what its ultimate end point is compared to all the comic book stuff that I love but I pretty much know where it;s all going…

  • southafricanguy

    Long time indeed buddy…..just been busy with life and other stuff. How about you dude?

  • southafricanguy

    Good god man…….keep Alan Taylor the fuck away from it!!! Did you see Thor 2 and Terminator Genie? That dude needs to go back to TV because that is where he belongs

  • southafricanguy

    if you want to know more about the story you can check out the 1993 limited animation series that was done

  • Tarmac492.1

    No, but I love Palookaville. LOL!!!

  • Tarmac492.1

    Thanks!!!

  • Stalkeye

    Same here, Bro. Other than swatting an annoying fly who tried to slander this site, I’m doing great.Kinda curious about TFA just to see if its worth all the hyperbole. How do you feel about the casting for Rise of Apocalypse?
    Mystique leading the X-Men? Wut??

  • southafricanguy

    the animation show is not very good compared to the manga, but I think it gives a good idea of the type of film that could be made from the source material

  • southafricanguy

    well…I am not sure we can call anything hyperbole yet as no one has seen it or really knows exactly what it will be. I am also very curious about it. Hard to say with JJ. His filmography is very hit and miss and he has no particular style or voice of his own, but then that is why they chose him….he was the safe choice. Disney wanted to protect it’s 4 billion dollar investment and there was no way they were ever gonna give it to an auteur.

    So…..who knows? They seem to be going to great lengths to steer it as close to the OT as possible and it’s no mistake they went to such lengths to get the original cast back. It seems like the goal will be a kind of greatest hits if you will. I guess the question is if they actually have anything new and interesting up their sleeves.

  • southafricanguy

    I love the casting with xmen: A great cast of actors and Isaacs is an inspired choice for Apocalypse imho. After DOFP….I trust Singer.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    It’s bad news, indeed. Although perhaps good news from a certain perspective – at least now we’ll be seeing it before we end up in the old folk’s home. Or before the Apocalypse strikes.

  • Stalkeye

    I was hoping for Kevin Greoix of Underworld fame. (He definitely has the voice and physique for Apocalypse.) Issac left me unimpressed after watching A Most Violent Year. And I’m personally biased against Munn. She doesn’t even look convincing as Psylocke. And I ran into a Cosplayer who looked more convincing. BTW, I have to look into this “Rogue Cut” to see what impact was made during the extra footage.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Verhoeven would be an awesome choice, but he’s old and not really part of the Hollywood scene anymore (I’m hoping for a comeback, however).

    Maybe George Miller or…gulp…the Wachowskis? Hey, maybe Ange Lee could do it. He likes 3D, isn’t afraid of digital FX, and despite what some people thought of his Hulk movie, I still say its scale, ambition and action sequences were superior to most of the MCU movies.

  • Stalkeye

    That’s a very fair and unbiased opinion. I’m skeptical of JJ but will go in with an open mind. Glad Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman are not involved with the script. It seems a lot is riding on his shoulders but we shall soon see whether or not it pays off.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Good call. I liked Brotherhood of the Wolf and he does have experience with the kinetic martial arts sequences required. But has he ever made a big budget Hollywood movie?

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Let’s hope Scott doesn’t blow his current goodwill/ return to form with his upcoming Prometheus movie(s).

  • Stalkeye

    Good point however, I always wondered how his interpretation of BAA would be had it came to fruition.
    I knew he would’ve brought it but I guess it wasn’t meant to be. ):’

  • southafricanguy

    agreed

  • southafricanguy

    jesus christ……the single smartest thing they did was keep those three ass monkeys away from it. If any one of those three hackmen of the Apocalypse were involved I would say the film is fucked sight unseen.

  • southafricanguy

    Dr Miller would also be a great choice. And since you mention him……he was also outside the hollywood scene and he is also old…and yet he made one of the most kick ass action films of the last few years. I damn sure that if you gave Verhoeven a budget and a chance he could make just as vital a film as Dr Miller and Scorsece (the wolf of wall street) And based on Robocop, I would strongly argue that Battle Angel Alita would be right up Verhoeven’s alley.

    Yikes….the wachoskis…..after Jupiter Ascending I can’t see anyone ever giving them more than five bucks to make a film.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    I hope JC is as hands on as possible here, as I just can’t see RR making something on this scale or with this amount of polish to it.
    Rodriguez’s movies, even the early good ones, were always very pulpy and exploitation-based. Not that that’s a bad thing in many contexts; it’s just not a suitable style/approach/filmmaking ethic for something that could be the Terminator series for the 21st century if done right.

    BA is even more technically challenging than Avatar because the action scenes will be so kinetic (requiring a high frame rate). It will also involve building a motion-captured cyborg from the ground up that looks like a 100% convincing human female. The demands would test even Cameron’s abilities to the limit, never mind Rodriguez’s.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    What’s your opinion on Marvel getting back Fantastic Four? Despite their missteps, I think it’s great news (if the rumors are true, that is). Means they get back Doom, the Skrulls, Galactus, and Silver Surfer, as well. The possibilities are endless for what they can do with these characters in Phase IV.

  • southafricanguy

    well…I always say….remember everyones reaction to the pics of quicksilver and how everyone….EVERYONE was shitting all over it and now he is everyone ‘s favorite character in the film and he blew the Avengers quicksilver away. We will only know how Apocalypse is gonna play once we see the film. Singer knows what he is doing when it comes to casting imho. He cast McKellan as Magneto (does he resemble the comic book at all?) and he nailed it. This small amd old british man totally made you believe he is magneto. He cast an Australian 6 foot odd song and dance man as Wolverine…..and now everyone cannot imagine anyone else playing the character……So I trust Singer’s choice of Isaacs

    I just know I see a hot lady in a hot costume……works for me from a visual stand point.

    I bought the DVD of the Rouge cut, it’s good. Some good scenes and worth checking out.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    He refuses to speak to KilliK or I nowadays, either. Just so you know…

  • southafricanguy

    not sure what I can say….Collider is debunking it. They posted an update saying that their inside sources are shooting it down as nothing more than a rumour. Apparently it’s just a money deal….nothing more. Unless and until it is shown to be a fact it’s all academic.

    I am not sure I care. At this point I really don’t give a damn about the FF, and I damn sure don’t want to see another FF movie or origin story about them I don’t care who the fuck is making it

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Damn!

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    The Force Awakens.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    “Other than swatting an annoying fly who tried to slander this site”

    Who was it? That Jesus idiot didn’t return, did he?

  • KilliK

    but it will be garbage. I prefer this movie would never be made, than be made by a hack instead of the master.

  • KilliK

    who was it?

  • southafricanguy

    great points. The FX will have to be top notch to make Alita look photo real, and the action would be hard for anyone to pull off

  • KilliK

    hey, south, long time no see, friend. how are you?

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Absolutely. But If it has to happen this way, I hope Rodriguez drops out and someone else is hired. Preferably one of the people already suggested.

  • southafricanguy

    hey buddy….i am ok. how about you?…how have you been?

  • KilliK

    great choice, Lee could have nailed it.

  • KilliK

    just surviving as always.

  • Stalkeye

    Phantomcreeps.

  • Stalkeye

    Nah, this time it’s that chode Phantomcreeps who made comments about SN being compared to AICN when asking for donations to run the site Ad Free. Scott schooled his Ass sometime afterward.
    I can’t cosign with Motherfuckers slandering just to start some shit.
    The idiot compared Gofundme to some AICN Kickstarter scam LMMFAO

  • KilliK

    and Blade Runner 2. he is producing it after all. Didnt our Portuguese friend always insist that Lindelof as a producer had more power over Ridley, that’s why he takes the full blame for the atrocious Prometheus? if BR2 turns out to be a turd, Ridley will be equally responsible for that with the writer and director of the movie.

  • KilliK

    yeah, Asimov even blocked me from his FB account, without any provocation from my part. Unfortunately, our dear friend is losing it.

  • Stalkeye

    Actually, I liked Aaron’s Quicksilver. His taunting Hawkeye was one of the best parts of the underwhelming Avengers sequel. They both were good in their own right. Singer is a good director but too bad he left X3 to do Superman Returns and I was letdown by both Films.

  • Stalkeye
  • KilliK

    wow!

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Oh, you know how our friend is – he’s not logical and objective in the slightest. He’ll find some way – no matter how contrived – to spin the outcome to his biases. Maybe he’ll even come up with a conspiracy theory that Lindelof was allowed to do uncredited rewrites on the Blade Runner 2 script, and that this was part of his contract demands for Prometheus, too.

    The truth is out there!

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    That guy has always been a weirdo. I don’t know what his deal is. For awhile, I thought he was Indiana Peach using another account.

  • KilliK

    I do believe that too, FOX have invested one billion on the Avatar sequels which are in continuous delay. That made the studio heads impatient and Jim in order to appease them, he agreed to let someone else direct his Alita movie.

    The problem is that I dont think RR was Jim’s choice and in fact he is not gonna be involved in the making of the movie in any way. RR is the go guy for quickly producing cheap geeky flicks, and since Alita is a risky investment because after all it is a hard-r,philosophical, cyberpunk manga, there is a good chance that they only want to chalk out fast a medium-budget pg13 action flick with the brand names of JC,RR and Alita.

    if this is the case, then I am sorry to say it but Jim is a sellout.

    as for who would have been better, I do believe there are undiscovered talents out there and people like Jim do have the power to discover them. But if you dont want to put an inexperience young director to directr your expensive movie then how about well-tested directors like the guy who made Edge of Tomorrow? he is more suitable that RR the hack.

  • KilliK

    mark my words, Alita is not going to be a photorealistic CGI, they are going to cast some young upcoming actress. see my above post for my reasoning.

  • Sagamanus, this was excellent, if I may say so. The style of your review kinda reminds me of the movie itself. And that’s a compliment.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    There’s no way Battle Angel was ever going to be hard R, even with Cameron directing. It should be, but no studio would ever agree to fund an R rated movie at that cost.

    In fact, many years ago, I think JC was quoted as saying, “yes, the source material is very violent, but all the blood is blue, so it’ll be PG-13.” However, he’s also talked about the flexibility of digital formats allowing for two different versions of movies to be playing simultaneously, so who knows? An R rated IMAX version could be released alongside a watered down version for regular theaters, with all blood digitally graded to a different color in the latter format.

    As for the rest, I sincerely hope that is not what’s happening behind the scenes. Jim’s quotes seem to indicate he’ll be heavily involved and that the production will be highly collaborative, but maybe that’s just PR.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    In Cameron’s version, it would’ve been. RR will want to cast that girl from the Spy Kids movies, or Jessica Alba; I hope Cameron dissuades him. To be fair, he did mention “cutting edge” techniques.

  • Stalkeye

    I think he forgot to take his meds.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    It wouldn’t be an origin story. I think Marvel are done with that. Spider-Man will be the litmus test.

    I want to see FF back in the MCU not necessarily for the central quartet themselves, but because of the supporting characters – these could be used in solo movies or in the other franchises on their roster. Doom is too good a villain to waste. Mind you, with Marvel’s poor track record with bad guys, they could easily screw him up, also.

    I never saw the Trank movie and have no interest in ever seeing it (although I’m sure I will, eventually), so it’s not even on my radar as far as souring me on the IP is concerned.

  • Stalkeye

    Wut?!!? marvel is getting back Fan4stic? Wow, that was sooner than I had expected!!!

  • Stalkeye

    I heard that Jennifer Lawrence is in the lead for Alita .

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    There’ve been conflicting reports. The Collider article Southafricanguy mentioned debunks it, but, as people point out in its comments section, the source isn’t stated and the report contains contradictions. The article claims Fox never needed Marvel’s permission to make X-Men TV shows in the first place, but there’s sourced articles from a few months where FOX brass are specifically quoted as saying they need to negotiate with Marvel to make it happen. That sounds more credible to me than a vague, uncited source.

    Also, another web site (Den of Geek, I think) is doubling down on its initial statements and claims it reached out to its sources again, not just to confirm the rumor was correct, but also to check that Marvel are getting the ancillary characters back (they are, supposedly).

    At this point, who knows? Half these sites report bullshit; they don’t know anything, much as they’d like to convince their readership otherwise (cough *AICN* cough* Devin Faraci*cough). Regardless, I really hope the rumor turns out be accurate and we get an official announcement soon.

  • KilliK

    impossible. there is not enough computer power in the world to render her fat ass when she turns into a cyborg.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Battle Cow Alita. Hear her moo!

  • Stalkeye

    If only, meng.

  • Bop

    I don’t know how much of a budget Silent Hill was. That was his Hollywood movie, but I personally think he has a very interesting style.

  • KilliK

    just watched The Martian, mate. decent, I enjoyed it more than the schmaltzy Gravity but I feel it could have been better and its overenthusiastic praisal is exaggerating. also all the major complaints, like the gigantic Ermes spaceship, the abrupt ending and the sometimes out of place jokes, etc,are all spot on.

  • southafricanguy

    Sure….I wish he had not left Xmen 3 to Rattner…I think we all would have preferred that. I can’t agree about Aaron’s quicksilver. As an actor I find him to be a plank of wood. He was only good in the first Kick-ass…..but Godzilla, Kick ass 2 and AOU I found him Orlando Bloomian (yes…it’s a word!) DOFP’s Quicksilver was more inventive in terms of what they did with him, and better played by that actor. The Kitchen scene has become iconic. What iconic scene did Aaron’s quicksilver have?

  • southafricanguy

    if there is one thing you can for sure criticize the MCU it is their bland and underdeveloped villains, so I am not sure they would necessarily do DR. Doom any better. But you do make a good point….it’s the supporting characters and villains that matter more.

    Thats true…but dude…we are film geeks and we live “in the bubble” For the general movie going public FF is a tarnished name. Even if Marvel Studios made a FF movie now I don’t think it would overcome the current stink on that brand name.

  • southafricanguy

    I think he will make the time. I think that it’s still going to be produced by Lightstorm and that Landau has also been brought onboard to produce alongside Cameron means that he will. And certainly he has expressed his love of the property for years. So I think he will make the time depending on when they schedule production of BAA. For example maybe they will wait until the actual filming of the Avatar sequels is complete and they go into their very long post production process….then production on BAA will start and Cameron would have time to produce. Just my two cents

  • southafricanguy

    wow…..ok, I see.

  • southafricanguy

    all that any of us can do buddy

  • southafricanguy
  • southafricanguy

    You may want to read Drew’s (Moriarty) write up on it. He points out something very important….that Fox is not actually the sole rights holder of FF….its also partly held by Constantin films. So as he correctly points out…it isn’t Fox’s property to trade with Disney/marvel even if they want to

    http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/why-that-new-fantastic-four-rumor-is-complete-nonsense

  • Stalkeye

    I would give Aaron the edge because of how his QS was utilized for storytelling purposes-brash, arrogant yet in the end, he died while saving a Child’s life, he died an Avenger.
    DoFP’s QS was good as well however, I felt Evan Peters’ role was more like an extended cameo/walk on. There just wasn’t enough thematic weight IMO. (Besides that hint that Mags could be his Dad.)

  • southafricanguy

    sorry…but neither of those two scenes are iconic. Are you telling me that either of those scenes are instantly familiar and recognizable to the average film goer that is not a fanboy or movie geek? Most people I know instantly know and remember the kitchen scene from DOFP, I am sure none of them would know either of these scenes if I put a gun to their heads and their lives depended on it. Aaron’s quicksilver also had a rather shitty/stereotyped Eastern european accent to go with his plank of wood performance

  • Stalkeye

    Well, I agree with you on the Eastern Euro accent. XD

  • southafricanguy

    hahahahahahaha

  • southafricanguy

    hahahahahahaha….fair enough XD

  • southafricanguy

    spill the beans….who was the fly and what slander was taking place?

  • southafricanguy

    how about the late Michael Clarke Duncan if he was still with us?

  • southafricanguy

    And I think we have to keep in mind that RR will make BAA, but who says that if it’s successful that Cameron doesn’t make the sequel?

    By the time it would be time for a BAA sequel he would most likely be free.

  • Stalkeye

    Oh, Fuck yes!
    I was prolly the only one who liked him as Kingpin in DD. Guy was a class act and its sad that guys like him pass on so Damn early in life.
    Good casting call Southie!

  • southafricanguy

    im just imagining his booming voice for Apocalypse

  • Stalkeye

    Check below thread. It’s Phantomcreeps spewing shit and when he kept comparing SN to AICN’s KS Scam, I was livid to the point of calling him out and needless to say, it got real ugly afterwards. LOL I mean, I know he has his meltdowns and shit, but trying to sabotage a site that we put our hard work into without monetary compensation, demonstrates his ignorance and stupidity and frankly, I’m sick of his Bullshit. Fuck that Hater!

  • Tarmac492.1

    I thought Silent Hill was a great horror flick. Atmosphere extraordinaire. I realize much might be from the game, but still it was quite good.

  • Tarmac492.1

    I always thought David Twohy would have joined the upper echelon of writer/directors after some early successes.in sci-fi type action. Never happened. Although he still has time. I like the choice of Miller. Is 70 really that old anymore. It isnt the new 30, but a healthy 70 year old(assuming Miller is) should be plenty vibrant for a large scale actioner.

  • Tarmac492.1

    Martin Campbell? Never saw Green Lantern though.

  • southafricanguy

    Him or Verhoeven would be perfect. Twohy is a very underrated director imho..

  • Tarmac492.1

    And needless to say he still goes to AICN. What thread was that in over there? Probably the most interesting thing to read on it. I was shocked that Harry loved Crimson Peak. Didnt see that coming. I hear he has the review of Peter Jackson’s next film already written.

  • Tarmac492.1

    I completely agree. And count me as one of the wishy-washy masses that is praying for a great film.

  • Tarmac492.1

    I approve of the word “chode”

  • Captain Genius

    don’t

  • Stalkeye

    IKR? Harry loves anything his boy GDT puts out including a 12′ turd.
    Now that’s a money grubbing opportunist and not Scott who laid the smackdown on that whiny bitch Phantomcreeps.

    What’s funny is when Scotty tells someone to “Shut the Fuck up”, they often do. Iv’e seen his handiwork from the days of Talkbacker. XD

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    I liked Casino Royale so much I’m prepared to give him a free pass for anything else…almost.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    It’s the new fifty.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    What article was this exchange in?

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    That’s true, but it’s a bit like saying New Regency held the rights to Daredevil over Fox. We all know that had no effect in the end when the rights lawfully had to return to Marvel after a set period. There are a lot of loop holes in those legal contracts.

    As for McWeeny, i don’t trust anything that blowhard says and he sure as hell isn’t a copyright lawyer. I specifically remember him insisting to me personally in AICN chatroom that the 2004 Star Wars DVDs would have no changes made to them from the previous special editions; of course, they did end up having alterations after all. To me, he’s as clueless as his buddies Faraci and Knowles. It’s all speculation and conjecture derived from minimal facts, not much more informed than the average commenter.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    I’m going to try to see it next week. Thanks for confirming what I expected – that the movie is one of Ridley’s better efforts, but still very overrated and over-hyped, following the pattern of the other so-called “hard science” space movies recently. I could tell from the trailers that there was no way this was going to be in league with Alien, Blade Runner, or even Gladiator. It’s just a bit better than his recent crap.

  • southafricanguy

    all true and good points. But I think with Daredevil the rights ran out because of the failure of both Fox and New Regency to make a new Daredevil film by a certain date. Thus it made no difference if they agreed or not on the issue. They both simply failed to make a film under the terms of the rights. However that is not the case with the FF. A movie was made very recently and so Fox and Constantin are not at all in danger of losing the rights anytime soon. So in order for there to be any kind of deal regarding giving up the rights long before they expire I would assume Fox can’t easily just make that decision solo.

  • southafricanguy

    if it makes you feel any better….McWeeny once snapped at me in the TBS and more or less told me to go and fuck myself. I can’t even remember why…..anyhoo…I would still take him over Harry or *shudder* Faraci

  • KilliK

    exactly that. dont expect the new Alien, just two hours of good movie entertainment.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    I know, but if that’s the case why did the rights for Daredevil elapse at all? Constantin have held F4 rights since before the Roger Corman production – almost thirty years ago. Academically, they might even hold the rights in perpetuity according to some arcane legal stipulation, as Stan Lee made the deal with them himself.

    If New Regency had a similar claim on Daredevil, and Fox were just a glorified distributor/licensee, why would their failure to make a movie in a seven year window supersede New Regency’s long-term claim on the rights as well? They, too, had to return the property to Marvel. That indicates they haven’t any greater claim on the rights than the larger company, and possibly less, depending on what deals were made.

    I don’t believe the dogged entertainment lawyers at Disney are going to be powerless to bend some archaic copyright claim that revolves around a tiny company like Constantin. Constantin’s claim on the rights is possibly trivial. Perhaps when Constantin entered into partnership with Fox they had to secede control, though retain “ownership” in an academic sense. If copyright laws apply to monoliths like Fox, I hardly think Marvel (or US copyright courts) are going to rollover for an insignificant production company/ financier, who otherwise could claim they hold the rights indefinitely, even without making another movie.

  • Stalkeye

    ..

  • Stalkeye

    Shadowdojo. Most of them are cool peeps but there’s always gotta be one to take the Piss in the Punch bowl.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    McWeeny is a cunt and always condescends to his readers. He’s also aggressive in displaying that he knows more than them (at least according to him), and making sure they know that he knows more than them. But often he knows nothing, and won’t disclose what he supposedly knows other than a vague statement or argument. We just have to take it on faith, apparently. He displayed these tendencies often during his tenure at AICN, and I see nothing has changed in regard to his heavy-handed approach at Hitfix.

    Anyway, anyone who looked up Wikipedia would have known about that Constantin thing. I don’t believe McWeeny knows any more than that, although he might claim otherwise. From that one tiny piece of info he jumped to conclusions that may be true but could also be erroneous. Similar denials were issued before Marvel made the Spider-Man deal. And instead of saying “Here’s why I think the F4 rumors are false”, and offering up an objective counter-argument, the blowhard insists that the reports are “nonsense” and that those making the claims are stupid. If only they had his superior knowledge, eh?

    Fuck that guy.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Yes, but if RR fucks it up, there won’t be a sequel.

    There’s a lot riding on this. Fox want a new franchise and Cameron always planned to make at least a trilogy, anyway. I just hope he was in sound mind when he made his decision to hand over the reigns, and that it wasn’t simply due to studio pressure.

  • southafricanguy

    All true….but I would like to hope that RR pulls it off and then its set up as a series and Cameron could hit the ground running with a sequel.

  • southafricanguy

    I certainly could not say as its beyond my knowledge of copyright law as well as like you say….we dont know the particulars of the deal with Constantin. Though we can assume it was a fairly strong deal given how long they have been able to hold onto it. Also…its fair to assume that their deal with FF is not at all like the one new regency had….so there could easily be different rules and stipulations to it. Thus its possible they could wield more power over it similar to how The Hobbit was impossible to make without a deal being made with MGM despite MGM having aquired those rights many years before. WB wasnt able to steamroll over them. The Hobbit was simply never going to get made unless MGM played ball based on how I understand it all went down (though i think most of us wished MGM had not played ball aftet what we ended up with)

  • Stalkeye

    LOL Everyone pisses on a Film time to time. it’s their god given right to be dismissive at their sole judgement. If someone thought my favorite Movies or games were Shit, I personally wouldn’t take offense. I’m content because I saw something within those mediums that I like.

    It’s called freedom of thought, Friend.

  • Is Drew Mc Weeny his real name? Or is that a character from Ren and Stimpy?

  • “it’s their god given right to be dismissive at their sole judgement.”

    But since god doesn’t exist, then they have no right.

    It’s one thing for a casual viewer of films to dismiss a good movie because said movie is outside of their usual film experience. But the same excuse can’t work for a film geek who OUGHT to know better.

    Freedom of though is not freedom to be ignorant or to troll to satisfy one’s own inflated ego. We do not have the right to an opinion, we have the right to an INFORMED opinion. To a movie geek that aplies twice. Rights don’t come free of responsability. There are no free lunches.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    LOL. What a stupid, childish and arrogant response. Ironic, too, in that you should take your own advice.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    It’s his real name. I doubted it, too, because it’s literally like something from Revenge of the Nerds.

    I can imagine fellow kids taunting him with comical variations of “McWeener” back in his schooldays; perhaps explains why he’s got such a huge chip on his shoulder.

  • KilliK

    you’re fucking retarded. no wonder you’ll die alone, little buddy.

  • Turd Has Escaped The Gravy

    Well, at least we still agree on something!

  • southafricanguy

    Did you see the announcement about Dark Horse comics getting the license to produce Avatar comics for the next ten years?